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TimFox:
--- Quote from: james_s on November 30, 2022, 12:12:11 am ---
--- Quote from: coppice on November 29, 2022, 10:13:28 pm ---Why did you assess the risks as small? mRNA therapies have a problematic history, and had never previously been deployed at scale. They have such a problematic history that the well funded Moderna was on the point of bankruptcy, because nothing was working out for them. I didn't take the mRNA vaccine, because I'm an engineer. I've seen far too many serious teething troubles with new technologies. A very conventional vaccine I would have taken without much thought. I eventually took the Moderna vaccine when other personal medical issues tilted the balance in favour of me taking it.
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Because tens of millions of people had received it by the time I was eligible and now hundreds of millions have and we have enough data to say beyond any reasonable doubt that the vaccine is much safer than the Covid virus. Also I decided what the hell, I'll try it and see what happens. For some strange reason I have seen people who are extremely concerned about possible side effects of the Covid vaccine, yet they seem to have no such concerns about drinking excessive amounts of alcohol, smoking tobacco or using other drugs. Life is filled with calculated risks, I have seen no reason to believe that the Covid vaccines are not safe. At this point I've had four of them with no ill effects, aside from some fatigue for a few hours a day or so after receiving them. I've received vaccinations for variosu things throughout my life and evidence suggests to me that they are safe and effective.
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In the middle of the pandemic, during a short-lived "lull", I joined my family for a funeral.
Most of my relatives at roughly my age remembered the polio vaccination drive in the mid-1950s, and could not understand the change in attitude since then.
At least one of my classmates in high school was an obvious polio victim.
vad:
--- Quote from: TimFox on November 30, 2022, 12:15:12 am ---
--- Quote from: vad on November 29, 2022, 11:58:48 pm ---
--- Quote from: wraper on November 29, 2022, 11:35:51 pm ---Correlation is not causation, not to say most of the people already had COVID, often without any symptoms. https://www.washingtonpost.com/health/2022/04/26/majority-americans-coronavirus-infections/
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The problem is that some people who had the virus also died from it.
Countries that did not have good mRNA vaccines and did not have strict lockdown, such as Russia, had huge excess death rate during the pandemic. In Russia alone the official excess mortality figures were over 800,000 or about 1% of adult population.
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From a recent data analysis: "COVID-19 is on track to be the third leading cause of death in the United States for the third year in a row. The virus claimed more than 340,000 lives in 2020, 475,000 lives in 2021, and so far, has taken 230,000 lives in 2022 through September."
see: https://www.healthsystemtracker.org/brief/covid-19-leading-cause-of-death-ranking/
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Thank you for proving my point. This is at least 2 times lower per capita rate than official excess mortality in Russia over 24 month period. Russia is known for manipulating its statistics, and real gap could be much higher. Also lockdown here in the US was much more relaxed than in Australia and Europe
james_s:
--- Quote from: TimFox on November 30, 2022, 12:19:04 am ---In the middle of the pandemic, during a short-lived "lull", I joined my family for a funeral.
Most of my relatives at roughly my age remembered the polio vaccination drive in the mid-1950s, and could not understand the change in attitude since then.
At least one of my classmates in high school was an obvious polio victim.
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My mom told me about that, she said she remembers lining up in a big line and nurses walked down the line of people and gave each of them a jab. She doesn't recall anyone refusing or making a stink about it, people trusted science and technology then.
Wallace Gasiewicz:
I am a physician with multiple board certifications and a Master of Public Health degree
I have worked a little in research and have also taken one year of a two year program in a Master Degree Program in Biochem
Here is my opinion:
Because of the huge financial and political overtones to the virus and the "Vaccines" there are no independent sources that I can find to be totally believed.
With this sort of atmosphere surrounding this particular issue, I cannot form what I would consider a professional opinion.
I would take anyone's opinion at this point with a grain of salt. Even "scientific" studies can be skewed.
coppice:
--- Quote from: james_s on November 30, 2022, 12:12:11 am ---
--- Quote from: coppice on November 29, 2022, 10:13:28 pm ---Why did you assess the risks as small? mRNA therapies have a problematic history, and had never previously been deployed at scale. They have such a problematic history that the well funded Moderna was on the point of bankruptcy, because nothing was working out for them. I didn't take the mRNA vaccine, because I'm an engineer. I've seen far too many serious teething troubles with new technologies. A very conventional vaccine I would have taken without much thought. I eventually took the Moderna vaccine when other personal medical issues tilted the balance in favour of me taking it.
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Because tens of millions of people had received it by the time I was eligible and now hundreds of millions have and we have enough data to say beyond any reasonable doubt that the vaccine is much safer than the Covid virus. Also I decided what the hell, I'll try it and see what happens. For some strange reason I have seen people who are extremely concerned about possible side effects of the Covid vaccine, yet they seem to have no such concerns about drinking excessive amounts of alcohol, smoking tobacco or using other drugs. Life is filled with calculated risks, I have seen no reason to believe that the Covid vaccines are not safe. At this point I've had four of them with no ill effects, aside from some fatigue for a few hours a day or so after receiving them. I've received vaccinations for variosu things throughout my life and evidence suggests to me that they are safe and effective.
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It depends on your age. If you are young, and especially if you are male, the vaccines present real risks, greater than the threat of the disease. Yet, we see people pushing for younger and younger people to take the vaccine. Perhaps because they've ordered rather a lot, and need to do something with in. The news says the EU has signed up for 10 doses for every citizen, and now politicians are asking why.
Why would you predict the likelihood of a problem with a radically new technology. that has a problematic development history, and was rushed to market, based on very well proven technology, with a long history of success?
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