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Buriedcode:

--- Quote from: Zero999 on November 30, 2022, 05:08:59 pm ---Twitter have removed their COVID misinformation censorship.

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And Elon wonders why advertisers are pulling out? Sounds like twitter will go the same way Parler did when it was first released - a haven for racists, grifters, and batshit conspiracy theorists.



--- Quote from: Zero999 on November 30, 2022, 05:08:59 pm ---Here's Vinay Prasad's (a medical doctor) video about why this is a good thing.


For those who don't have time to watch, here are some mental notes I've made. The bits about the jab and masks are omitted. Watch it if you're interested.

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a) pretty sure that falls under "vaccine" related stuff which Dave as mentioned.
b) Yes, Vinay Prasad is a "medical doctor", and has found he makes more money pandering to Libertarians.  And whilst youtube videos aren't evidence of anything (just as blogs aren't):
    https://sciencebasedmedicine.org/vinay-prasad-public-healths-mistruth-problem/



--- Quote from: Zero999 on November 30, 2022, 05:08:59 pm ---
* Twitter aren't qualified to distinguish fact from misinformation and no one can really.
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So, he is saying that there are no objective facts and no-one should ever claim that anything is wrong ever? Wow, so we should just abandon Engineering and Science?


--- Quote from: Zero999 on November 30, 2022, 05:08:59 pm ---
* It's better to allow free exchange of ideas so people can decide for themselves.
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Yeah, we have seen how that turns out. Just look at 4chan.


--- Quote from: Zero999 on November 30, 2022, 05:08:59 pm ---
* Even many scientists aren't probably taught how science works. They don't know about randomisation and are prone to biases.
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Depends on the Scientist and their particular field.  Medical doctors, surgeons etc.. aren't necessarily qualified to interpret study results and the statistical anaylses used.
What about Geologists?  Can they design a three arm study on dietary habits? They're "Scientists" aren't they?!
Just because someone is a top surgeon, doesn't mean to say they have any idea of how to reduce bias, how to design a decent study, or are immune from their own prejudices.
Scientists/specialists commenting on matters outside their field doesn't have the same authority does it. He can have his opinion sure, but why is it worth more than my GP's?
Or, you know, the majority of epidemiologists?


--- Quote from: Zero999 on November 30, 2022, 05:08:59 pm ---
* COVID misinformation was always allowed on Twitter, as long as it was on the side of fear mongering an paranoia, pushed by those on the political left. Those on the right were the ones who were censored.
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Really? An electronics forum and you're going to continue to bang on about left and right and how you've victimised.   The "ones who were censored" weren't censored based where they are on the political spectrum, but rather because they posted information that was easily proven to be incorrect (which both sides of the spectrum did btw) and could put people in danger.  Also, having posts removed, on twitter - social media - which is a private company - that you agree to the terms of using by posting - isn't being censored, it is violating the terms. It is a free service, from a private company, not a right.

Vinay Prasad is hardly being censored or cancelled - just google him to see how many articles he's had published in the media.  If anything, twitter flagging any posts he made has boosted his media presence, allowed him to cry victim so he can give more talks and articles, and provided him with more income.  This is why he's taking this stance, money.


--- Quote from: Zero999 on November 30, 2022, 05:08:59 pm ---
* By the way Vinay is left of centre.
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What does that have to do with anything in this thread? Also lol, no he isn't.

coppice:

--- Quote from: Buriedcode on November 30, 2022, 07:42:50 pm ---
--- Quote from: Zero999 on November 30, 2022, 05:08:59 pm ---Twitter have removed their COVID misinformation censorship.

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And Elon wonders why advertisers are pulling out? Sounds like twitter will go the same way Parler did when it was first released - a haven for racists, grifters, and batshit conspiracy theorists.

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So, no change there then. He is doing something about the paedophiles, though.

tom66:

--- Quote from: coppice on November 30, 2022, 05:59:38 pm ---
--- Quote from: Zero999 on November 30, 2022, 05:08:59 pm ---
* Twitter aren't qualified to distinguish fact from misinformation and no one can really.
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This sums up the current problem with public discourse in a nutshell. There are no "fact checkers" or "disinformation checkers". There are only authoritarians trying to silence those they disagree with.

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But it's equally a problem with social media, there's no way you can prevent misinformation spreading, like the 5G-causes-COVID bullshit (which in the UK led to a number of cell towers being destroyed and assaults on telecoms workers (1)(2)(3))

So how do you allow the free spread of information but prevent the spread of disinformation?

The answer is not to do nothing, because the outcomes of such highly viral (heh) disinformation are extremely toxic.

Bud:

--- Quote from: Buriedcode on November 30, 2022, 07:42:50 pm ---And Elon wonders why advertisers are pulling out?

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So far he does not give a squat about it. Check your facts.

coppice:

--- Quote from: tom66 on November 30, 2022, 07:47:43 pm ---So how do you allow the free spread of information but prevent the spread of disinformation?

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You can't. You can only make things worse by sleazy partisan manipulation, and that's what all manipulation ends up being.

--- Quote from: tom66 on November 30, 2022, 07:47:43 pm ---The answer is not to do nothing, because the outcomes of such highly viral (heh) disinformation are extremely toxic.

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This is utopian thinking. There are no solutions, only trade offs. Its weird to have to say that in an engineering forum. Its the first rule of engineering. Allowing one tribe to silence another is a poor trade off.

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