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Elon Musk is a nice chap
wraper:
--- Quote from: tom66 on November 30, 2022, 09:43:37 pm ---
--- Quote from: Zero999 on November 30, 2022, 08:54:27 pm ---Identifies as what? How do I know I'm a man and not: a woman, non-binary, fluid, pan gender etc.? What's the objective reality?
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Do you think you're a man? Then you're a man. But for some, simple male = man, female = woman breaks down. By assuming that, you don't account for transgender people, but even if you want to ignore that group, which I assume you do because that's the thing a lot of people with your type of opinion do, then you still need to handle intersex and no biological sex (around 1% of all people - similar to transgender rates in fact). Gender has only strongly correlated with sex, it's not equal to sex.
I don't see the problem with saying you're whatever you want, provided it's not something like saying you're a nazi or whatever, because that's outright offensive to large numbers of people. I know a trans person well enough to accept them for what they want to be, and I would hope one day you could do the same, just like society learned to accept that being gay was OK. A couple of years ago I would have been a lot more like yourself, but it's pretty clear from the research and studies that acceptance is one of the best routes to dealing with gender dysphoria. There is really very little debate on this matter, even if some other matters about transgender people are still debated.
We still need the distinction of biological sex for sports for example, because there's clearly a difference between biologically male and biologically female athletes, but in most areas, it's completely OK to say you're whatever you want to be. And who does it hurt?
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Whatever you say is decided, is not decided even in Western world. Not to say the vast majority of Earth population will call it total bollocks. The problem is not with sayng what you identify with (about which I don't give a damn), but that they want mandating everyone to accept that as an objective reality and make it legally binding.
And then comes nonsense like "birthing parent" instead of mother.
tom66:
--- Quote from: wraper on November 30, 2022, 09:55:23 pm ---Whatever you say is decided, is not decided even in Western world. Not to say the vast majority of Earth population will call it total bollocks. The problem is not with sayng what you identify with (abuot which I don't give a damn), but that they want mandating everyone to accept that as an objective reality and make it legally binding.
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A substantial amount of the world believes it's OK to stone women for adultery, so I don't accept the idea that because people disagree, it's a bad idea. 30-40 years ago, the majority of the Western world would have opposed the idea of gay marriage, now it's widely accepted. The same thing will eventually happen with gender, whether you accept it or not.
james_s:
--- Quote from: tom66 on November 30, 2022, 09:43:37 pm ---Do you think you're a man? Then you're a man. But for some, simple male = man, female = woman breaks down. By assuming that, you don't account for transgender people, but even if you want to ignore that group, which I assume you do because that's the thing a lot of people with your type of opinion do, then you still need to handle intersex and no biological sex (around 1% of all people - similar to transgender rates in fact). Gender has only strongly correlated with sex, it's not equal to sex.
I don't see the problem with saying you're whatever you want, provided it's not something like saying you're a nazi or whatever, because that's outright offensive to large numbers of people. I know a trans person well enough to accept them for what they want to be, and I would hope one day you could do the same, just like society learned to accept that being gay was OK. A couple of years ago I would have been a lot more like yourself, but it's pretty clear from the research and studies that acceptance is one of the best routes to dealing with gender dysphoria. There is really very little debate on this matter, even if some other matters about transgender people are still debated.
We still need the distinction of biological sex for sports for example, because there's clearly a difference between biologically male and biologically female athletes, but in most areas, it's completely OK to say you're whatever you want to be. And who does it hurt?
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For most of history gender was literally equivalent to sex, it is only very recent and arguably radical academic theory that gender is a social construct that is separate, 10 years ago I had never even heard of such nonsense and frankly for the vast majority of scenarios it is only sex, as in biological sex, not the act is all that is relevant. If a person needs medical treatment for example sex matters, not what they identify as.
Who does it hurt? Well in most cases nobody, if a person wants to live as the opposite sex or pretend they're a dolphin or whatever, that doesn't really bother me at all, but that doesn't mean they are literally the gender or species they prefer to be. Biological men competing against women in sports though definitely hurts the women in those leagues, there's a reason there are separate leagues in the first place, because men on average are significantly larger, stronger, faster, have much higher bone densities etc that gives them an unfair advantage. I don't know how often a man claims to be trans to go into a womens locker room or some such thing but I do think that's a valid concern that should not just be blown off as bigotry or transphobia. I think the vast majority of trans people are harmless but it only takes one weirdo to take advantage of a situation.
james_s:
--- Quote from: wraper on November 30, 2022, 08:36:21 pm ---They pulled out as soon as Elon aquired twittter, way before he started changing anythyng.
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Personally I thought that was kind of ridiculous, but they're gonna do what they're gonna do. Customers sometimes boycott businesses over similarly silly stuff. Is it fair? No, but it's reality. Like any business, you do what you can to keep your customers happy and hope for the best. I think a lot of advertisers that paused their ad spend will return if they perceive things as going well, otherwise they may not, it all depends on how everything pans out.
wraper:
--- Quote from: james_s on November 30, 2022, 10:10:10 pm ---
--- Quote from: wraper on November 30, 2022, 08:36:21 pm ---They pulled out as soon as Elon aquired twittter, way before he started changing anythyng.
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Personally I thought that was kind of ridiculous, but they're gonna do what they're gonna do. Customers sometimes boycott businesses over similarly silly stuff. Is it fair? No, but it's reality. Like any business, you do what you can to keep your customers happy and hope for the best. I think a lot of advertisers that paused their ad spend will return if they perceive things as going well, otherwise they may not, it all depends on how everything pans out.
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Real customers will boycot nothing unless it's some niche woke brand with woke customers. It's very loud activists which by now also largely infested HR in big tech companies to which they cave in.
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