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--- Quote from: Zero999 on November 30, 2022, 08:02:35 pm ---If you watch his videos, you'll find he's a Democrat. He's said that many times before. He questions public health policy, not only that surrounding COVID, but also cancer, so it's no surprise you'll find many hit pieces on him.
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Ok, the fact he's a "democrat" means nothing. Thats an American political party that presumably sits somewhere on a politcal spectrum - and brings nothing to this topic.
And whats the difference between a "Hit Piece" and legitimate criticism of opinions and views that aren't supported by evidence?  It is very easy for some to play the victim, and say "hey, I'm just asking questions" hiding behind being reasonable whilst clearly pushing against whatever the general concenous is just to stand out. 

Also, as he is a physician, surely the place to question "public health policy" (That is, American puclic health policy, since, you know, he's American) is in research, studies and papers?  That is generally how Science progresses.  Those who immediately rant on social media about how medicine is doing something wrong without providing anything in the way of evidence could - and should - be dismissed.


--- Quote from: Zero999 on November 30, 2022, 08:02:35 pm ---What if public health policy is based on misinformation and is putting people in danger? How about all the misinformation exaggerating the risk of the virus? That was pretty harmful and could have lead to needless deaths.
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Which is why these decisions are made by large groups of experts, and not a "lone wolf" contrarian doctor who fires off incedary tweets, a few youtube rants, then plugs his patreon page.  Nothing is risk-free, and everything is a weighed up against benefits and harms - thats what all medical interventions are, a risk/benefit analysis.  Offical recommendations can, and should, change based on updated evidence.  Again, simply saying " ahh but what if they're wrong!?" is no reason for complete inaction because you disagree with what has been decided. The US at one point was losing >3000 people a day.  Thats over 20k people a week - not really a time to sit on your hands whilst we wait for studies to finish that only serve to prove what we know from previous pandemics.


--- Quote from: Zero999 on November 30, 2022, 08:02:35 pm ---The problem with something new, such as a novel virus, is there are a many unknowns. The only the narrative accepted by the authorities was allowed on Twitter. The fact it's a private company  doesn't wash. It bowed to pressure from the government and implemented censorship to support their narrative. It's a big problem with Big Tech in general. Governments worry about the free flow of information and apply pressure on them, so they voluntarily censor themselves, though fear of more legislation.

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Of course there are many unknowns, there was a frantic rush to find out what was happening in the early days and it was hard to filter out the noise to find actual helpful information. Rampant speculation - combined with some very loud conspiracy theoriests and contrarians only made matters worse.  Twitter isn't (or wasn't) going to allow a complete free for all - it has to abide by certain rules, and also to appease its advertising partners. 

No company is going to want to be assosciated with a company that freely allows racist, antisemetic, or comments intended to harm (or a call to harm).  So you can't expect those same companies to stick with twitter if it lets people post information that damages public trust on health authorities leading to more harm and lives lost.  This doesn't mean that government policies were right, or wrong - just that the censorship on social media debate has been raging for ages.  Honestly, it sounds like you either want there to be absolutely no censorship (in which case one could just acuse anyone of something, and calling others to burn their house down) or it's just you don't like it when the posts you agree with are censored?


--- Quote from: Zero999 on November 30, 2022, 08:02:35 pm ---There are objective facts, but more often than not there are so many unknowns and nuances, it's impossible for a single body to decide what's objectively true and what's not. There have been many times in history, when what was considered to be the objective fact, has later turned out to be false and those who've discovered it have been persecuted. Galileo is a classic example.

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So, you're suggesting that unless there is clear and concise agreement and 100% certainty on what a situation is and how it should be handled, we should just sit and wait for it?  During a pandemic?  You can point out many examples of when conventional wisdom has been overturned, but that doesn't really mean anything.  There have also been many times when things that have been taken as fact - continue to be fact.  Simply saying "ahh well, sometimes people are wrong" doesn't actually help in any way. 

tooki:

--- Quote from: james_s on November 30, 2022, 10:01:08 pm ---For most of history gender was literally equivalent to sex, it is only very recent and arguably radical academic theory that gender is a social construct that is separate, 10 years ago I had never even heard of such nonsense and frankly for the vast majority of scenarios it is only sex, as in biological sex, not the act is all that is relevant. If a person needs medical treatment for example sex matters, not what they identify as.

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You may not have heard about it, but it’s actually something documented since antiquity. It’s absolutely, probably, not just something concocted in recent years. In many cultures it’s actually been integrated into core belief systems. (Like the “third sex” people in India, or Native American peoples.)

vad:

--- Quote from: wraper on November 30, 2022, 09:00:23 am ---
--- Quote from: vad on November 30, 2022, 12:57:51 am ---Joke of the day. Founder of PayPal complains about unreasonably high fees. There is always a bigger fish, Elon.

https://www.bbc.com/news/technology-63788437

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Compared to Apple app store, Paypal fees are totally reasonable. You also need to take credit/debit card fees into account which are often more than half of what Paypal takes. If you send money from Paypal balance as "friends and family", then the fee is very low as in that case paypal does not offer protection and they dont need to pay payment card fee. But it's not really relevant to Elon since he sold his stake in paypal 20 years ago. Apple slaps 30% fee on app purchases and in-app transactions and does not allow even a slightest mention in the app you are able to pay eslewhere. Google play is similar, however there is a big difference. You can install apps manually without a store.

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30% distribution margin is standard in software industry. If you are software giant and want technology distribution companies like Ingram Micro and Tech Data to market your software around the world - be prepared to cut 20%-40% percent margin to the distributors depending on the region.

tszaboo:

--- Quote from: Zero999 on November 30, 2022, 10:49:23 pm ---No long term studies have been done. The problem with affirmation is it invariably leads people down the path of irreversible medical treatments. It was reading the studies and applying critical thinking which made me change my mind. We don't affirm someone who wants a limb amputated or blinded, because they have transablism and sex shouldn't be any different.

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Actually, there are long term studies, showing 40% attempted suicide rate by transgender people.
The same rate is 31% for people with gender dysphoria. Both is staggeringly high, and these people are not getting the help that they would actually need.

RJSV:
   Sorry, to Dave Jones, about making too many 'snide' and unwelcome (political) remarks (re: Border crossers).
  No excuse, but the reasons that happen(s), we are stressed, extra, these days, (and overjoyed to have some kind, any kind of forum).
   Running a gigantic org, like EEvblog, HAS to have all kinds of unanticipated stresses, so, yes, message received, to exert more self-control, in any posts controversial.
Sorry about going too far, a bit.

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