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james_s:
--- Quote from: TimFox on December 01, 2022, 07:14:25 pm ---“Gender” is unambiguous but sometimes irrational in grammar, more important in non-English European languages.
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I've mostly used "gender" when referring to connectors, it sounds silly to me to refer to the sex of a plug or socket.
If someone's gender identity is different than their sex that is not a factor in how I treat them and I'll try to use the pronouns that match their identity, but in my head I still know that they're not literally the gender they identify as. I'm not interested in dating a biological male even if they identify as female, they are not truly female. Outside of romance and medicine sex and gender are virtually irrelevant, I don't care in the slightest whether my friends, colleagues and other people I encounter in life are male or female and I've never understood why group identity is so important to some people. I am first and foremost and individual, and a member of various groups or categories very very distant second. For reasons that are a total mystery to me many people seem to be absolutely obsessed with categorizing people into buckets rather than seeing them as individuals.
vad:
--- Quote from: james_s on December 01, 2022, 07:51:19 pm ---I'm not interested in dating a biological male even if they identify as female, they are not truly female.
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The question is more about someone’s insistence on dating another person who cannot be identified morphologically and/or genetically and/or psychologically as a male or a female. According to some research, about 5% of adult population fall under that category.
james_s:
--- Quote from: vad on December 01, 2022, 08:40:24 pm ---The question is more about someone’s insistence on dating another person who cannot be identified morphologically and/or genetically and/or psychologically as a male or a female. According to some research, about 5% of adult population fall under that category.
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It's way less than 5% that cannot be identified genetically. Intersex people do exist but they are very rare.
Others are free to date whoever they are attracted to as long as it involves consenting adults it's none of my business.
SiliconWizard:
--- Quote from: coppice on November 30, 2022, 11:38:45 pm ---
--- Quote from: SiliconWizard on November 30, 2022, 11:32:30 pm ---What if I want to identify as a cactus? Is this legit or not?
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Now you are just trying to be prickly.
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Now I'm offended. This is just specism. Cactus having pricks? It's just a social construct. Get your facts straight.
If we weren't constantly oppressing them, cactuses would be as smooth as silk. ;D
tom66:
--- Quote from: tszaboo on December 01, 2022, 03:27:21 pm ---
--- Quote from: Zero999 on November 30, 2022, 10:49:23 pm ---No long term studies have been done. The problem with affirmation is it invariably leads people down the path of irreversible medical treatments. It was reading the studies and applying critical thinking which made me change my mind. We don't affirm someone who wants a limb amputated or blinded, because they have transablism and sex shouldn't be any different.
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Actually, there are long term studies, showing 40% attempted suicide rate by transgender people.
The same rate is 31% for people with gender dysphoria. Both is staggeringly high, and these people are not getting the help that they would actually need.
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I don't know what study you're referring to. In the US, this study was performed which indicated a reduction in feeling suicidal (or having taken steps toward suicide) by 60%:
https://www.eurekalert.org/news-releases/930195
--- Quote ---Researchers found a 60% decrease in moderate and severe depression and 73% decrease in suicidality among transgender and non-binary youth who received puberty blockers or gender-affirming hormones over a 12-month period, according to a study abstract presented during the virtual American Academy of Pediatrics 2021 National Conference & Exhibition.
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Here's a brief synopsis of another study:
https://psycnet.apa.org/doiLanding?doi=10.1037%2Fort0000200
Here's a study from the UK:
https://www.emerald.com/insight/content/doi/10.1108/MHRJ-05-2014-0015/full/html
--- Quote ---[..] A supportive environment for social transition and timely access to gender reassignment, for those who required it, emerged as key protective factors. Subsequently, gender dysphoria, confusion/denial about gender, fears around transitioning, gender reassignment treatment delays and refusals, and social stigma increased suicide risk within this sample.
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...Transitioning does not change that? Are you kidding?
There's no doubt that GD is a serious mental illness and no one (sensible) is claiming otherwise; and it definitely carries a higher rate of suicide and self-harm. But we don't ignore serious mental illnesses for a good reason, we try to treat them. If you actually cared about trans youth suicide rates, you would take into account the current evidence, not just your feelings about man = male and so on. These studies are not made by the woke "academiati" who want to make everyone a peace-loving vegan who hates right-wingers; they're made by the top academics studying in their field, who have looked at the evidence, met the patients, and seen how effective the right treatment can be. Maybe in 20 years we'll have a wonder one-shot drug or therapy that cures GD and reassigns everyone back to their bio sex, but we certainly don't have that now.
And as for the comparison made by another poster, of treating anorexia by telling people they're fat (?), I'm really not sure why anyone would think that would work, but the good news is there is a body of research on that which points towards body positivity being a good thing. That doesn't mean you just accept anyone and everyone but generally lean towards trying to help before criticism.
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