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vk6zgo:

--- Quote from: james_s on December 03, 2022, 06:38:04 pm ---
--- Quote from: tom66 on December 03, 2022, 02:18:20 pm ---Kanye:
"I see good things about Hitler.  They [the Nazis] did good things too. Every human being has value that they brought to the table, especially Hitler. We've got to stop dissing the Nazis all the time."

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Ok the first half I agree with, they did some good things. Then he went off the rails, stop dissing Nazis? To say the handful of good things they contributed is overshadowed by the bad would be a massive understatement.

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Hitler did one good thing---he shot himself in the head!
james_s:

--- Quote from: vk6zgo on December 03, 2022, 10:12:07 pm ---Hitler did one good thing---he shot himself in the head!

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Well that was a good outcome, although I would have preferred to see him stand trial for war crimes rather than taking he easy way out but the world was a better place with him gone for sure.

I'm sure there are more good or at least not bad things if you looked though. Even the most evil people typically have SOME redeeming qualities. As someone else mentioned he was a painter (though apparently not a particularly good one) before he ever got into politics, I would say that painting pictures is generally a good thing. The development of the VW Beetle was overseen by him, that I would argue was an overall positive for the world, bringing affordable transportation to millions around the world. The world is not binary, overall terrible people sometimes do good things and overall good people sometimes do terrible things. A lot of people seem to get hung up on absolutes and see things in black and white and that just isn't the way the world is.
TimFox:

--- Quote from: james_s on December 03, 2022, 10:05:50 pm ---
--- Quote from: TimFox on December 03, 2022, 09:39:15 pm ---The reason for the original question was the list of 158 French victories over various German armies during the Napoleonic Wars (e.g., Austerlitz).

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I'm not really sure that matters. I would not destroy art or architecture just because it was made by or to honor someone I did not particularly like, especially if I found it aesthetically pleasing. The nazis had an appreciation for classical artwork, they looted large quantities of it from countries they invaded.

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Historically, victorious armies have often destroyed, damaged, defaced, or desecrated the monuments previously erected by the losers.
This was a Bad Thing.
There is confusion about various legends from antiquity where the winner demolished the city and sowed the land with salt after defeating the losers, to keep the land useless thereafter.
In the last century, we have the well-documented story of the Red Guards in the Cultural Revolution.
The Nazis destroyed monuments when they were winning the war, and after the war most of the Nazi monuments were destroyed by the victors.
I certainly would never accuse you of such deviltry.
SiliconWizard:
Godwin's law still going strong. :-DD
james_s:
The same point could be illustrated with someone less infamous, even a hypothetical fictional person. Let's say this person develops a cure for cancer and later is found to be a prolific child molester or serial killer. Are they a good person? Probably not. Did they do some good things? Yes, absolutely. Is the world a better place overall because of them? That is not so easily answered. People are not "good" or "bad", they consist of a mix of good things and bad things, the ratio of which determines how relatively good or bad they are.
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