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themadhippy:

--- Quote ---I don't know if he engaged in activities that actually harmed anybody though.
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I'd bet his  activities at blechley park  harmed 1 or 2
jonovid:
 Musk Just opened up the -HunterBiden-twitter-dirty laundry  files
vk6zgo:

--- Quote from: Ed.Kloonk on December 04, 2022, 02:02:35 am ---
--- Quote from: vk6zgo on December 04, 2022, 01:56:51 am ---
What "good things" did any of them do?

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Raise personal safety awareness to such a high level that the nanny state could only dream about.

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I dunno, the current generation of youth seem to believe all those sort of things "happen to someone else".
When I was a kid "we didn't need no steenkin 'nanny state' ", as my parents warned me about there being dangerous people around.
After all serial killers have been around for many years, dating back to "Snowy" Rowles in the late 1920s/early '30s, and others before him.
There seemed to be a break, at least in WA, in the 1950s, coming back with a bang with Eric Edgar Cooke in the early 1960s.

People in this country were a bit wary about hitchiking in the 1960s, after a few well known incidents in various States, so I was amazed in the 1970s, by how readily people in the UK  & Ireland trusted their safety to some random stranger. :palm:

Apart from the "boogeyman" we learnt to face oncoming traffic when walking on roads with no Footpath ("sidewalk"), to step off the road when a car approached, & to look both ways before crossing -----the young dumbos these days are just as likely to wander up the middle of an unlit road at night,whilst wearing dark clothes, or ride a stupid "scooter" the wrong way!

Another delight is those who ride variously unlit pushbikes or unlit, unlicensed "dirt bikes" around suburban streets after dark.
The two together is a recipe for disaster, but if one of them gets hurt, or worse, killed, "it's someone else's fault"!

And, while I'm on the subject "they can get off my lawn!" >:( >:(
PlainName:

--- Quote from: vk6zgo on December 04, 2022, 01:56:51 am ---OK, let's go with Jeffery Dahmer, John Wayne Gacy, Ted Bundy, or for an Oz touch, David & Catherine Birnie, Ivan Milat, & perhaps, John Wayne Glover.
(The "Duke" would be horrified that his name was given to two different serial killers in separate countries.)

What "good things" did any of them do?

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Why did they have to do any good? Come to that, why does a generally good person have to do any bad? I think Ed's james_s' point (and if he wasn't making it, I am) was that there is a range and you'll get people totally at one end or the other along with most people somewhere between. A bell curve, no doubt.

[edit: got names wrong]
Zero999:

--- Quote from: tom66 on December 01, 2022, 10:17:12 pm ---
--- Quote from: tszaboo on December 01, 2022, 03:27:21 pm ---
--- Quote from: Zero999 on November 30, 2022, 10:49:23 pm ---No long term studies have been done. The problem with affirmation is it invariably leads people down the path of irreversible medical treatments. It was reading the studies and applying critical thinking which made me change my mind. We don't affirm someone who wants a limb amputated or blinded, because they have transablism and sex shouldn't be any different.

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Actually, there are long term studies, showing 40% attempted suicide rate by transgender people.
The same rate is 31% for people with gender dysphoria. Both is staggeringly high, and these people are not getting the help that they would actually need.

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I don't know what study you're referring to.  In the US, this study was performed which indicated a reduction in feeling suicidal (or having taken steps toward suicide) by 60%:
https://www.eurekalert.org/news-releases/930195
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--- Quote ---A study abstract to be presented at the 2021 American Academy of Pediatrics National Conference & Exhibition found no effect on generalized anxiety over the 12-month study period.
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Not a long term study. I rest my case.

Show me a randomised study, with a 10 year follow-up period. Given the permanence of these treatments it's vitally important to look at the long term prognosis to make good judgements based on the risk vs benefit.


--- Quote ---There's no doubt that GD is a serious mental illness and no one (sensible) is claiming otherwise; and it definitely carries a higher rate of suicide and self-harm.  But we don't ignore serious mental illnesses for a good reason, we try to treat them.  If you actually cared about trans youth suicide rates, you would take into account the current evidence, not just your feelings about man = male and so on.  These studies are not made by the woke "academiati" who want to make everyone a peace-loving vegan who hates right-wingers; they're made by the top academics studying in their field, who have looked at the evidence, met the patients, and seen how effective the right treatment can be.  Maybe in 20 years we'll have a wonder one-shot drug or therapy that cures GD and reassigns everyone back to their bio sex, but we certainly don't have that now.

And as for the comparison made by another poster, of treating anorexia by telling people they're fat (?), I'm really not sure why anyone would think that would work, but the good news is there is a body of research on that which points towards body positivity being a good thing.  That doesn't mean you just accept anyone and everyone but generally lean towards trying to help before criticism.

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Woke ideology is a significant problem in academia and is infecting medicine too. The recently closed Tavistock Clinic was a classic example of this.

For mental disorders, surrounding one's perception of their body, treatment generally revolve around self-acceptance, not modifying their body to suit. There's no reason why sex should be any different. Heck, when I suffered from an eating disorder, diet pills probably would have made me feel happier during the short term, but would obviously have harmed me in the long run.

Body positivity is definitely good with regards to self-acceptance and avoiding disordered eating. The problem is, people who encourage others to adopt more healthy lifestyles have been demonised.

Gender dysphoria isn't always present in trans people. Male to female transitioners often have autogynephilia, sexual arousal, at the seeing themselves as female, hence the hypersexualised portrayal of biological women, by many transwomen. Female to male transistioners are more likely to have other mental health problems such as eating disorders and autism.

What about women's spaces? Do you really think men won't use the pretence of being trans as a cover to access female spaces? I personally know women who've been assaulted by men claiming to be women, in female toilets. A woman was raped in hospital by a male patient who was placed in a women's ward, because he claimed he was trans. To make matters worse, the police didn't believe her, because the hospital told the police there were no men on the ward.
https://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2022/03/17/hospital-told-police-patient-not-raped-alleged-attacker-transgender/


--- Quote from: Buriedcode on November 30, 2022, 11:51:26 pm ---This doesn't mean that government policies were right, or wrong - just that the censorship on social media debate has been raging for ages.  Honestly, it sounds like you either want there to be absolutely no censorship (in which case one could just acuse anyone of something, and calling others to burn their house down) or it's just you don't like it when the posts you agree with are censored?
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Dave has already said he doesn't want the pandemic discussed, so I won't respond to the other parts of your post.

I complain about all censorship. I wouldn't want a post supporting critical race theory (a vile, hateful ideology, akin to Nazism)  to censored, any more than I would someone who questioned the public health policy. The problem was censorship only worked one way.


--- Quote from: xrunner on December 03, 2022, 11:58:46 am ---
--- Quote from: wraper on December 03, 2022, 10:59:25 am ---
--- Quote from: Ed.Kloonk on December 03, 2022, 10:18:50 am ---
--- Quote from: tom66 on December 03, 2022, 08:34:14 am ---claims Hitler was an alright guy? 

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Wow did he really tweet that?

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He said it on Alex Jones show, so even Alex Jones distanced himself from what Kanye was saying.
https://twitter.com/RightWingWatch/status/1598387179582939137
https://twitter.com/RexChapman/status/1598371503652933647

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He also stated that Hitler invented the microphone.  :-DD :-DD :-DD

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West clearly has a mental illness. He needs help, not ridicule. The problem is getting him to see that and accept help. It's not going to end well.
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