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Zero999:

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--- Quote from: vad on December 05, 2022, 02:03:11 am ---
--- Quote from: wraper on December 05, 2022, 12:56:13 am ---Twitter was violationg first amendment on behalf of democrats (government is not allowed to impede with free speech).

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You are confusing public company with the government. To the same extent you can claim that Fox News “violated” the 1st on behave of Republican administration when Trump was POTUS, and CNN “violates” it on behalf of Democratic admins.

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It's you who are confusing something. It would be so be if they did it themselves. But they were doing so while being instructed by members of democratic party.

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At the time, the Democratic Party were not the govt, so were no different to any other pressure group, & the 1st amendment stuff doesn't apply.
The fact that there was so much internal discussion does not look like anyone "instructed" them.
What Twitter might, quite wisely, have worried about was the possibility of getting sued.
Even in the USA, slander is a thing.


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It makes no difference who the president is. The pressure comes from other government organisations such as the civil service. It's something Musk is currently investigating.


--- Quote from: Ranayna on December 05, 2022, 02:37:07 pm ---
--- Quote from: Zero999 on December 05, 2022, 09:57:40 am ---There have also been many posts which are just as bad, yet have not been deleted.

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I know there is quite a bit of porn on Twitter. As long as that is not against twitter rules (and i assume it is not, since there is so much of it), and it is posted with consent of the involved persons, they do not need to be removed.

But there is a major difference with the links i found: it is quite obvious that the pictures where not posted by the involved persons themselves. The posters mostly had Chinese looking handles. Those posts should definitely be removed, when they are reported.

Combined with the fact that Biden was not "the government" when the posts were removed, i have no bloody idea why this is such a big topic.
Do you want to tell us that removing involuntary distributed private pictures is something "left" or "woke"? I can't imagine what kind of hell would have broken loose if similar pictures of a Trump family member would have been leaked.

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I'm talking about illegal content such as child porn, death and rape threats, which weren't deleted, whilst perfectly legal posts contradicting the mainstream narrative i.e. the war & public health policy were removed.

TimFox:
Quoted without further comment, a post to another site from a Twitter employee about the changes there:
https://www.askamanager.org/2022/12/update-i-work-at-twitter-what-do-i-do.html#comments

RJSV:
   One person's take on this discussion:
   Firstly (1.).  I'm financially 'compromised', (mildly so), being with LYME Disease, since the Reagan years, and wished to obtain services from local disability aid office, a non-profit.  Let's just call them R.I.C.K. so as to be clear not explicitly trashing that ORG.  They've been VERY helpful, over the 30 years or so.

   Asking them, their 'remote staff person' a few questions, but had noticed that this remote work thing was causing SIGNIFICANT detriment to their work quality.

   I made a wise-crack, (admittedly),  that the remotely run office had shortcomings, (BAD DOG !).

   I followed with wise crack #2.)  Saying " The only thing I got, out of their 'WEB SITE' was statements about how DIVERSE they are, there."

( BAD, BAD DOG!  NO!...lol).

   Still waiting, I guess I got bumped off the list, for a free laptop.

Point (#2.). And this one I hadn't considered:
   Folks have begun to 'dispise' Silicon Valley, hissing in disgust, at the Twitter counter to American values around freedom of expression (refer to recent arguments in this thread).
   Folks have begun to, more visibly , denounce the Silicon Valley heritage players...i.e. Apple and co.
in the Chinese political struggles.  More hissing and expressed outrage.

   That's bad, for business, which we need,  seriously.

james_s:

--- Quote from: Zero999 on December 05, 2022, 09:57:40 am ---Twitter was violationg first amendment on behalf of democrats (government is not allowed to impede with free speech).

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What kind of pressure? What are the consequences if they were to refuse? If they did actually refuse and got punished by the government then I would buy this argument.

james_s:

--- Quote from: tszaboo on December 05, 2022, 09:31:06 am ---While the first amendment is still mostly uphold in the US, the issue is really that corporations have become stronger than the US government. If the woke propaganda decides to shut you down, then you are done. You loose your job, and become a pariah. And they can do this just after accusations, no due process, or after a single tweet or other social media post that they don't like.

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It's not really the corporations, but the mob of citizens that social media enables. Mob rule is dangerous and people are effectively tried, convicted and sentenced by the mob without due process. This sort of behavior is not new, it is just the scale at which it now occurs that has become possible with modern technology like social media.

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