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| tooki:
--- Quote from: wraper on December 05, 2022, 12:56:13 am --- --- Quote from: Buriedcode on December 04, 2022, 11:47:38 pm --- --- Quote from: jonovid on December 04, 2022, 02:55:47 am --- Musk Just opened up the -HunterBiden-twitter-dirty laundry files --- End quote --- He's so desperate to divert attention away from his dire leadership, he'll try anything. --- End quote --- Twitter was violationg first amendment on behalf of democrats (government is not allowed to impede with free speech). Twitter employees were not even sure what rule to apply to block that information. Nothing to see there... Democrads good, Musk bad :palm:. Not to say your argument is just nonsencical, he gets attention to himself, not diverts it. --- End quote --- Repeat after me: Twitter (clap) is (clap) not (clap) a (clap) government (clap) agency (clap). Therefore, it by definition cannot violate the first amendment. Companies can restrict speech as much as they want. A government can ask a company to do something. And there's ample precedent for government ordering companies and individuals to withhold information from the public. From wiki: --- Quote ---The level of protections with respect to free speech and free press given by the First Amendment is not limitless. As stated in his concurrence in Chicago Police Dept. v. Mosley (1972), Chief Justice Warren E. Burger said: --- Quote ---"Numerous holdings of this Court attest to the fact that the First Amendment does not literally mean that we "are guaranteed the right to express any thought, free from government censorship." This statement is subject to some qualifications, as for example those of Roth v. United States, 354 U. S. 476 (1957); Chaplinsky v. New Hampshire, 315 U. S. 568 (1942). See also New York Times Co. v. Sullivan, 376 U. S. 254 (1964)."[136] --- End quote --- --- End quote --- |
| tooki:
--- Quote from: wraper on December 05, 2022, 09:43:08 am --- --- Quote from: vad on December 05, 2022, 02:03:11 am --- --- Quote from: wraper on December 05, 2022, 12:56:13 am ---Twitter was violationg first amendment on behalf of democrats (government is not allowed to impede with free speech). --- End quote --- You are confusing public company with the government. To the same extent you can claim that Fox News “violated” the 1st on behave of Republican administration when Trump was POTUS, and CNN “violates” it on behalf of Democratic admins. --- End quote --- It's you who are confusing something. It would be so be if they did it themselves. But they were doing so while being instructed by members of democratic party. --- End quote --- The Democratic party (the DNC) has no legal power whatsoever. A request from the DNC has no more legal weight than one from any civilian. |
| tooki:
--- Quote from: Zero999 on December 05, 2022, 11:08:30 pm ---No where have I stated that gender reassignment surgery and hormones should not be used ever. The problem is they're now becoming the go to treatments, above talking therapy. My main concern is they're being used to treat children, who'll invariably grow out of it. Adults are a different case and even then, given the permanence of the treatments, it's something which should only be done when other therapies have failed. --- End quote --- That's the BS that conservative, anti-trans media CLAIM is the case, when in fact it is not. I've known multiple trans people, and read or watched many more stories, and in ALL cases, gender reassignment surgery came after extensive psychiatric care, and years of living as the desired gender. It is in no way something that gets done on a whim!!! --- Quote from: Zero999 on December 05, 2022, 11:08:30 pm ---My main concern is they're being used to treat children, who'll invariably grow out of it. --- End quote --- Gender reassignment surgery on minors is extremely rare. As for hormones, what's done in kids who are seriously questioning their gender is to use puberty blockers (similar to hormonal treatments used for various growth disorders, by the way) to delay puberty, precisely because children are too young to make such permanent decisions. It allows, without any serious repercussions, delaying decisions until they're old enough to have the necessary maturity, while at the same time preventing physiological changes that make a future transition much more difficult. (The point is that if they delay puberty and the kid ends up realizing they're not trans, then little harm is done by the puberty blockers once discontinued: puberty still happens, into their original biological sex.) --- Quote from: Zero999 on December 05, 2022, 11:08:30 pm ---who'll invariably grow out of it. --- End quote --- Invariably? Then how come transgender adults exist? I say this with the utmost respect and non-sarcasm: please, please, get to know some actual transgender people and listen to their stories. I feel that you are wildly uninformed and as a result, kinda judgmental and dismissive. Listen to them. And don't just focus on the handful that regret their transitions. The vast majority do not, and consider it a life-saving intervention. |
| james_s:
--- Quote from: tom66 on December 05, 2022, 10:14:18 pm ---I'm not going to argue the transgender issue any more, because personally I have at best a marginal connection to it via a sibling of a friend, as well as a former colleague's now-daughter. I'm going to continue to accept how someone wants to be addressed, which is where this all came from, and I hope you do so too. After all, it would really just be a dick move to do anything other than that. --- End quote --- I have a transgender friend, F to M, I accept how he wants to be addressed although it took a while to get used to but that isn't really the issue, in the back of my mind I know he is actually female, a trans-man, not an actual man. As a friend it doesn't matter, the gender of my platonic friends is irrelevant. I think in general most men don't really care if a woman sees them in a locker room or whatever but I can totally understand why a woman would not be comfortable having a biological man in that sort of space with them. Anyway the whole debate that is raging about this stuff goes far beyond how someone wants to be addressed. I'm happy to use male or female pronouns, whichever they prefer, and I'm happy to treat them with the same respect I'd treat anyone, but I'm not going to believe that they are actually literally their preferred sex, to do that is to deny reality, which they are free to do themselves, but it is unreasonable to expect everyone else to also. |
| MT:
As noted previously Musk Neurolink brain chip was sued now the FED is looking into this case. In all, the company has killed about 1,500 animals, including more than 280 sheep, pigs and monkeys, following experiments since 2018! Bad Elon monkey , bad Elon monkey, now go to sit in the corner with dunce cap on you naughty hairless monkey. https://nypost.com/2022/12/05/elon-musks-neuralink-faces-federal-probe-employee-backlash/ |
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