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Elon Musk is a nice chap
Zero999:
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--- Quote from: PlainName on December 12, 2022, 11:03:43 am ---
--- Quote ---There's no prize at the end for having pissed away the most hours slaving away at a job
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The hours we work are generally not related to what we'd like to do, so that's a bit of a non sequitur.
--- Quote ---once people starting looking at these things scientifically 40 hours turned out to be where productivity peaked
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Do you know of any such studies? Another possibility is that it splits the day suspiciously evenly: one third to sleep, one third to work, one third argue on the internet. (Although most people think they spend a third working but actually it's more because of commuting.)
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Literally just Google “ how many hours work daily for peak productivity” and you’ll find numerous studies.
Upshot is, we can only do 5-6h of peak performance. The 6th-8th hours we aren’t nearly as productive, and once it gets to 10-11h, productivity drops off a cliff.
In other words, after 6h, the output per h drops at an increasing rate, negating some of the benefits of working longer.
It also depends on the kind of work: extremely focused work (air traffic controllers, simultaneous interpreters) can only be done for about 2h without a break before focus fails and mistakes occur. Studying is similar: you can only do 2-3h of really effective studying without a break, which is why cramming for an exam for 8h is pointless: the marginal benefit of hours 4-8 are minimal. Whereas with e.g. manual labor or retail sales, later (fatigued) hours won’t be massively worse than earlier (fresh) ones, with anything where you have to really think, long days don’t make sense. It’s consuming more of the employees’ time without improving total productivity.
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I think it's reasonable of PlainName to ask about which studies you're referring to.
I haven't read any studies, but I'm willing to believe that 40 hours per day is just an average. It probably depends on many factors:
* The nature of the job:
* physical excursion
* stress
* mental excursion
* repetitiveness
* The commute
* none: work from home
* walking
* cycling
* bus
* train
* driving
* The person's
* age
* sex
* health
* their commitments outside of work
* temperamentNote many studies are biased. If the person funding it wants people to work longer hours, or shorter hours, this might affect the results.
RoGeorge:
The office beds story is bate. It was not because he was planning to turn Twitter into a labor camp, so the 40 or other optimal number of hours per week debate is futile. He put a bed there because it happened that some stayed over night anyway, sleeping on the office floor in a sleeping bag. I've seen such a photo on social media, with a dude sleeping in a meeting room, on the floor.
It happened to me, too, here in Romania. I've stayed over night at the office to finish whatever was to be done. Happened only a couple of time over all the working years. It was my choice entirely, and often been admonished next day for staying over night in the office. I can understand why working over hours sometimes happens. Talking about myself, I don't know why that happened at Twitter, and never worked for Twitter or for Elon Musk.
My point is, I can understand how one can choose to work over night even when asked to go home. The dawn hours, somewhere between 4 and t am are the worst. I would have loved to have a bad to crash on instead.
Kasper:
I've seen a few times when Elon was asked how to be successful, his reply was along the lines of, 'it's not a guarantee but working 80 to 100 hours a week is a good start. In 3 to 6 months, you can accomplish what would normally take 1 year.'
It is not surprising he brings beds to workplaces.
vk6zgo:
--- Quote from: Kasper on December 12, 2022, 10:48:38 pm ---I've seen a few times when Elon was asked how to be successful, his reply was along the lines of, 'it's not a guarantee but working 80 to 100 hours a week is a good start. In 3 to 6 months, you can accomplish what would normally take 1 year.'
It is not surprising he brings beds to workplaces.
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An even more advantageous thing is to start off wealthy!
wraper:
--- Quote from: vk6zgo on December 12, 2022, 11:26:34 pm ---
--- Quote from: Kasper on December 12, 2022, 10:48:38 pm ---I've seen a few times when Elon was asked how to be successful, his reply was along the lines of, 'it's not a guarantee but working 80 to 100 hours a week is a good start. In 3 to 6 months, you can accomplish what would normally take 1 year.'
It is not surprising he brings beds to workplaces.
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An even more advantageous thing is to start off wealthy!
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He did not start wealthy. Tale about emerald mine is an utter BS.
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