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james_s:

--- Quote from: Psi on December 17, 2022, 09:48:44 pm ---It's abusing a system to stalk someone.
Yes, anyone could find the info, but that doesn't mean its ok to process the info and use it for this sort of purpose.

It's like the old phone books that were in order of last name and initials and if you looked up someone name in the book you could find their phone number and address.
But it was illegal to use the info to make a new book reordered by phone number to locate an address and name from a phone number.

It should be illegal to use flight tracking data to create a system to enable stalking someone in realtime.

Elon has said that its the real time aspect that he has an issue with.

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Why should that be illegal? It doesn't enable tracking of a person, it enables tracking of an aircraft and in the USA at least that is publicly available information. Flying a private aircraft is a privilege, you give up a certain amount of privacy to have that privilege. It's not like it's going to be landing in random places around the world anyway typically, it's going to fly back and forth between a few different airports. Seems like a nothing burger.

james_s:

--- Quote from: Ed.Kloonk on December 17, 2022, 08:05:25 pm ---Just because you can doesn't mean you should.

Have a think about the freedom you have to drive your car down to the store to buy a pack of smokes without the internet reporting all about it. Why were you buying the smokes? What are you going to do with the smokes? You're going to try and secretly start your kids smoking, aren't you?

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I'm not a public figure, nobody cares what I'm doing, I'm just not that interesting. My cars have visible license plates on them, they're registered to me, if someone really wanted to track their location they could. At this point they're old enough that they stand out like a sore thumb and people recognize me based on the cars anyway. Who cares? When you're a public figure people get interested. Musk puts himself in the spotlight, he could just as easily be reclusive and mind his own business.

tom66:

--- Quote from: Ed.Kloonk on December 17, 2022, 08:05:25 pm ---Just because you can doesn't mean you should.

Have a think about the freedom you have to drive your car down to the store to buy a pack of smokes without the internet reporting all about it. Why were you buying the smokes? What are you going to do with the smokes? You're going to try and secretly start your kids smoking, aren't you?

--- End quote ---

Really, this feels remarkably like the argument over banning disinformation, except sides have been swapped here.  You are saying unlimited freedom of speech is a bad thing now?  Because that's what ElonJet is.

I'm pretty indifferent to the ElonJet situation, I couldn't really care either way where Elon goes or who knows about it, but don't want Covid and other disinfo spread everywhere, because that actively harms everyone.

Also, interesting that the FAA's privacy function doesn't work, huh.  Not sure what the solution is there, then.

Ed.Kloonk:

--- Quote from: tom66 on December 18, 2022, 12:12:18 am ---I couldn't really care either way where Elon goes or who knows about it.

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But isn't that the problem? I wonder if perhaps you should care who knows.


--- Quote ---Also, interesting that the FAA's privacy function doesn't work, huh.  Not sure what the solution is there, then.

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I wonder if it were any other billionaire (someone less busy), if they would seek to litigate for the lapse of integrity.

Infraviolet:
Censoring the tracking of his private jet, after buying the company whilst speaking of making free speech his priority is really not a good luck. And censoring journalists who discussed it is an even worse look. Still, he then had the decency to uncensor the journalists after a public outcry, and he's been having other journalists pour through twitter's files from the previous management, some really nasty stuff is coming out about how they tried to silence respectable people like Jay Bhattacharya and how they had hotlines from governments ordering them to take down all manner of inconvenient truths (which were the very opposite of misinformation, although governments happily painted them as misinfo). So I'd say Musk is doing much better than the last twitter management (not that I'd want to spend my time dumping 280 character ultra-compressed posts on to the internet whoever owned twitter), but it is perhaps too soon to make a judegement of whether he is a nice chap.

As for Musk's jet, isn;t it the case that he said he now rents random private jets, so tracking "his jet" isn't very meaningful anyway?

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