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Elon Musk is a nice chap
james_s:
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--- Quote from: tom66 on December 18, 2022, 08:49:14 am ---It's been said before it's impossible to determine what is misinformation and what is genuine, because who moderates the moderators? Well, who determines what is private info and not? ElonJet is skirting the line between public and private, as another poster suggested, you have no right to privacy when in public (is a private jet's location public?)
Regardless of whether it is a privacy violation, how do you police it? Because eventually you would have the risk of, e.g. an affair Elon had becoming public information. Is that "Elon's privacy" with posts relating to that to be squashed? What about one of his kids getting involved in a corruption scandal with the lithium mines in Bolivia? Is that privacy? A politician favourable to Elon needing some hush money covered up?
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I think that spreading instantaneous, private personal location information is a different category for obvious reasons.
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It doesn't matter what you think, it matters what the law says in the nation in which the event is taking place. There are written laws that determine what is legal and what is not. When a law contains ambiguity it is up to the courts to interpret it and determine if the law has been broken.
wraper:
--- Quote from: vad on December 18, 2022, 05:03:41 pm ---
--- Quote from: wraper on December 18, 2022, 04:21:50 pm ---Again, publishing his location in real time is not the same as publishing information about his life after the fact. Also I've seen a good argument that private jets often use small aerodromes without security, so it becomes a very serious security risk.
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The same argument applies to privacy of private citizens. I, for example, do not understand why a flight that I, my small children and 300 other souls boarded in couch class can be tracked in real time, while Musk’s jet should be untraceable. As I suggested few posts above, Elon should lobby Congress, European Commission, Australian Parliament, King Charles III, Emperor of Japan on banning ADS-B.
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It's not that jet is untraceable, it is traceable. The problem is with knowledge about who is on that flight. The difference with you flying is that it's not public who is on your flight. Also if you read previous posts Elon was using Privacy ICAO Address (PIA) but this guy still figured it and made public.
james_s:
--- Quote from: wraper on December 18, 2022, 04:21:50 pm ---Again, publishing his location in real time is not the same as publishing information about his life after the fact. Also I've seen a good argument that private jets often use small aerodromes without security, so it becomes a very serious security risk.
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Then that's something the individual needs to take into consideration when arranging their security detail. Anybody wealthy enough to have a private jet can afford private security.
What does the law say? Everything else is irrelevant.
james_s:
--- Quote from: wraper on December 18, 2022, 06:21:27 pm ---Because it's not public who is on that flight. Also if you read previous posts Elon was using Privacy ICAO Address (PIA) but this guy still figured it and made public.
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It's not public who is on Musk's jet either. How do you know he's actually on it? The flight could be carrying his friends, family, business associates, cargo, or it could be an empty flight to ferry the aircraft somewhere.
I don't know about the legality of decoding privacy ICAO, maybe you can find a law that applies to that, personally I can't be bothered. Either way if it is illegal then the guy will be arrested at some point, if it isn't illegal then he won't. Opinions and feelings on the matter are totally irrelevant.
wraper:
--- Quote from: james_s on December 18, 2022, 06:21:57 pm ---
--- Quote from: wraper on December 18, 2022, 04:21:50 pm ---Again, publishing his location in real time is not the same as publishing information about his life after the fact. Also I've seen a good argument that private jets often use small aerodromes without security, so it becomes a very serious security risk.
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Then that's something the individual needs to take into consideration when arranging their security detail. Anybody wealthy enough to have a private jet can afford private security.
What does the law say? Everything else is irrelevant.
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Actually apparently it's illegal since Elon is also taking legal action against the guy.
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