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vk6zgo:

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--- Quote from: james_s on December 20, 2022, 09:20:13 pm ---If you were more familiar with California politics you might not think so. It's a nutty place, full of paradoxes like that. California is easily the most far left state in the US, and yet at the same time there is that immense venture capital and the billionaires you mention. The thing is, there are multiple separate groups of people, not everyone in the state is on the same page.

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Sure, but again, a state cannot be far left if it supports and embraces capitalism.  Which California very obviously does - to the great success of many living within.  It is absolutely bonkers to call the state far left, or even to associate this with its politicians (at least the ones in control, like the state's senators -- I'm not talking about some fringe party that has one or two seats here or there in some town council).

It is possible to be pro-capitalist and be centrist or perhaps centre-left on certain things, like gay rights for instance, but to be "far left" is to be "socialist".  That is literally incompatible with capitalism, as capitalism is the ownership of the means of production by private individuals (typically, but not exclusively, the wealthiest), whereas socialism is ownership of said means of production by the workers.  California has very few worker owned co-ops, outside of the odd random grocery store run by hippies.

This is I guess the paradox of American politics.  What you guys consider to be far left is something even European centre-right or right-wing parties support, and nobody outside of the US considers even mildly a left wing policy.

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"Far left" isn't "to be socialist".
Baader Meinhof, & the Japanese "Red Army" faction who were around in the 1970s/80s are real examples of "Far left".
vk6zgo:

--- Quote from: aeberbach on December 20, 2022, 10:11:32 pm ---
--- Quote from: Zero999 on December 20, 2022, 02:28:07 pm ---That's exactly what the left do: work themselves up into a tower of outrage over dumb stuff because it violates their woke rules. They also loved Elon, until he bought Twitter.

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Nup. Weird nerds, particularly libertarian weird nerds, loved Elon. People who consider him to be a lucky and clever fool were and are pretty evenly spread, politically speaking.

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"Entrepeneur worship" isn't widespread in Australia---we've seen so many fail, or in some instances to be revealed as crooks.
People call it the "Tall Poppy" syndrome, but I believe it is commonsense caution.
Zero999:

--- Quote from: vk6zgo on December 20, 2022, 11:44:16 pm ---
--- Quote from: james_s on December 20, 2022, 09:20:13 pm ---
--- Quote from: tom66 on December 20, 2022, 07:42:26 pm ---Calling California, the richest state in the Union and one of immense private venture capital and the home of many billionaires, an "anti capitalist" state... If that's not delusional I don't know what is.  :-DD

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If you were more familiar with California politics you might not think so. It's a nutty place, full of paradoxes like that. California is easily the most far left state in the US, and yet at the same time there is that immense venture capital and the billionaires you mention. The thing is, there are multiple separate groups of people, not everyone in the state is on the same page.

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"Far left" in the USA is "centrist" in everyone else's language.

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Have you actually looked into some of the ideologies supported by the far left in the US, such as critical race theory? The idea of separating people into different classes, by race, is not a centrist position by any means.
james_s:

--- Quote from: Zero999 on December 21, 2022, 01:00:44 am ---Have you actually looked into some of the ideologies supported by the far left in the US, such as critical race theory? The idea of separating people into different classes, by race, is not a centrist position by any means.

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They are absolutely obsessed with race, and more broadly, identity. The American political left is the epicenter of identity politics and political correctness. The right has its own different set of issues. Neither strikes me as particularly sane.
james_s:

--- Quote from: Zero999 on December 20, 2022, 08:42:26 am ---Your statement implied that others here who've supported him on his acquisition of Twitter love him, which isn't true. In my case it's not that I like Musk that much, but I disliked the old Twitter regime, which would only censor one side, more.

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"The enemy of my enemy is my friend"
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