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james_s:

--- Quote from: tom66 on December 20, 2022, 09:50:42 pm ---Sure, but again, a state cannot be far left if it supports and embraces capitalism.  Which California very obviously does - to the great success of many living within.  It is absolutely bonkers to call the state far left, or even to associate this with its politicians (at least the ones in control, like the state's senators -- I'm not talking about some fringe party that has one or two seats here or there in some town council).

It is possible to be pro-capitalist and be centrist or perhaps centre-left on certain things, like gay rights for instance, but to be "far left" is to be "socialist".  That is literally incompatible with capitalism, as capitalism is the ownership of the means of production by private individuals (typically, but not exclusively, the wealthiest), whereas socialism is ownership of said means of production by the workers.  California has very few worker owned co-ops, outside of the odd random grocery store run by hippies.

This is I guess the paradox of American politics.  What you guys consider to be far left is something even European centre-right or right-wing parties support, and nobody outside of the US considers even mildly a left wing policy.

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The state is not a monolithic entity though, there are multiple groups with diametrically opposed views. It is ironic that so many people making large salaries working for tech companies call themselves socialists but it is the case none the less. My observation is that successful businesses exist in California despite the political/economic climate, not because of it. To a significant degree the presence of a vast amount of wealth (the haves) results in another grout (the have-nots) advocating for socialism and various forms of wealth redistribution. Back when Silicon Valley formed, the political climate in the state was significantly different. Now the state has placed many obstacles in the way of running a successful business but there is still such a big talent pool that it happens anyway.

MK14:
[Breaking News] Elon Musk has confirmed, he's stepping down.


--- Quote ---Elon Musk to quit as Twitter CEO when replacement found
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https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/business-64037261

Ed.Kloonk:

--- Quote from: MK14 on December 21, 2022, 02:03:11 am ---[Breaking News] Elon Musk has confirmed, he's stepping down.


--- Quote ---Elon Musk to quit as Twitter CEO when replacement found
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https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/business-64037261

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Come back, @jack. All is forgiven.

Oh, wait..

wraper:
Elon:

--- Quote ---I will resign as CEO as soon as I find someone foolish enough to take the job! After that, I will just run the software & servers teams.
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tooki:

--- Quote from: Zero999 on December 21, 2022, 01:00:44 am ---Have you actually looked into some of the ideologies supported by the far left in the US, such as critical race theory? The idea of separating people into different classes, by race, is not a centrist position by any means.

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--- Quote from: james_s on December 21, 2022, 01:39:34 am ---They are absolutely obsessed with race, and more broadly, identity. The American political left is the epicenter of identity politics and political correctness. The right has its own different set of issues. Neither strikes me as particularly sane.

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Just to be clear, that’s not what the American left is interested in (nor are those descriptions even accurate definitions). What you’ve repeated here are the wildly dishonest claims the right makes about the left. If you actually look at what the left says and does, you find it’s quite different from what the right claims the left says and does.

Do fringes exist who focus on identity politics and PC? Yes. But they’re not in any way representative of the left as a whole.

As for CRT, simply ignore whatever the right has to say about it, because basically everything they believe about CRT is plain and simply untrue, both in its content and its reach. (CRT is a niche academic discipline, and is not taught or used in school at all.)

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