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Wallace Gasiewicz:
SiliconWizard:

It's nice to know that someone in France is keeping track of the "American Experiment" which was really inspired by European Philosophy at the time.

I am not trying to be funny , I really think it is a good thing.

tooki:

--- Quote from: SiliconWizard on December 21, 2022, 07:47:29 pm ---Yeah. It's an extremely common misconception though for people living outside of the US to think that the "american left" in general is what others call centrist or even right elsewhere.

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Huh? It’s not a misconception, and it’s widely recognized by people both outside the US and within it.


--- Quote from: SiliconWizard on December 21, 2022, 07:47:29 pm ---Of course there isn't just one "left" in the US, but even so, this is absolutely not true. Maybe it somewhat was for the old democrats, but even democrats haven't been "centrists" for at least a decade or two as far as I can tell, they are clearly leaning towards the typical left ideologies. The race theory itself it not just a lunacy from the "far left" now, many democrats seem to embrace it one way or another.

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Which “race theory”? Because the academic subject called Critical Race Theory is not in any way a  part of the Democratic Party platform. (Even though the right continuously lie that it is.)

TimFox:

--- Quote from: Wallace Gasiewicz on December 21, 2022, 11:51:32 pm ---SiliconWizard:

It's nice to know that someone in France is keeping track of the "American Experiment" which was really inspired by European Philosophy at the time.

I am not trying to be funny , I really think it is a good thing.

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The best early descriptions of the American Experiment are in the writings of Alexis Charles Henri Clérel, comte de Tocqueville (before the American Civil War).

james_s:

--- Quote from: tooki on December 22, 2022, 05:56:26 pm ---Which “race theory”? Because the academic subject called Critical Race Theory is not in any way a  part of the Democratic Party platform. (Even though the right continuously lie that it is.)

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There's more to the left than the democratic party, the party itself is split between two distinct factions, the progressive wing is nearly unrecognizable from the democrats of 50 or even 15 years ago. Being largely uninterested in politics and not a member or follower of any party I didn't pay much attention to the whole critical race theory thing for a long time, but then some state tried to ban teaching it and suddenly there was a big uproar despite people claiming that it isn't being taught and that struck me as odd. I don't know whether it's being taught broadly or not as it's been many years now since I was in public school and I don't have kids, but if it isn't and there are no plans to teach it as many claim, then why does anyone care if teaching it is banned? It should make no difference at all. Let the right wingers ban it if it will appease them, if nobody is teaching or planning to teach it then who cares.

tooki:
The problem is that CRT is yet another invented bogeyman, another thing the right has invented to get outraged at. (CRT exists, but has nothing to do with what the right has their panties in a twist over). The thing that angers me about the right’s tactics, like with CRT, is the blatant dishonesty. IF CRT actually contained what they claim it does, and if it were actually being taught in schools, I might object to it too. But neither of those things is true, and yet it’s used to vilify liberals wholesale. Like… it’s one thing to debate real issues. But the right doesn’t debate in good faith, they literally call the left “evil” and then invent things to support their position. I won’t abide that behavior.

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