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vad:

--- Quote from: james_s on December 23, 2022, 11:25:03 pm ---I don't know squat about being a CEO, I guess I'm qualified, maybe I should apply.

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Chill out. They are not hiring for this role.

https://careers.twitter.com/en/roles.html

Towger:

--- Quote from: james_s on December 23, 2022, 11:25:03 pm ---I don't know squat about being a CEO, I guess I'm qualified, maybe I should apply.

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If it offers a 9 figure basic salary like other similar positions, then go for it.

tooki:

--- Quote from: Zero999 on December 22, 2022, 09:52:29 pm ---I have read enough CRT articles to know it's an extremist ideology and actually discriminates against black people, just as much as white. I don't need Fox or GB News to find that out.
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The fact that you call it an “ideology” at all means you don’t really know what it means, because it’s a framework and methodology. Teaching CRT (even if it were done) isn’t teaching a viewpoint or conclusion, it’s teaching how to consider and observe how race could play into other things.

Read this cached-to-avoid-paywall article:
https://webcache.googleusercontent.com/search?q=cache:BDBD9iRxvssJ:https://www.washingtonpost.com/outlook/critical-race-theory-law-systemic-racism/2021/07/02/6abe7590-d9f5-11eb-8fb8-aea56b785b00_story.html&cd=3&hl=en&ct=clnk&gl=ch&client=safari


--- Quote from: Zero999 on December 22, 2022, 09:52:29 pm ---It might not be taught in schools, under the name CRT, but there definitely appears to be many teachers taken in by the ideology and have introduced CRT-related concepts in the classroom. If it really isn't a problem, then the left wouldn't be complain when the right push for bills prohibiting the teaching of concepts such as white privilege, as a matter of fact, in classroom.

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Because it’s not wise to pass laws based on nonexistent problems. It’ll end up banning things that shouldn’t have been.
Most such bills don’t actually name CRT, they just talk about anything to do with race. And frankly, I don’t think that race should be excluded from the classroom. Doing so makes it impossible to even remotely accurately teach history.


--- Quote from: Zero999 on December 22, 2022, 09:52:29 pm ---
--- Quote ---But the right doesn’t debate in good faith, they literally call the left “evil” and then invent things to support their position. I won’t abide that behavior.

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And the left are no better.

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That is plain and simply not true.

The right employs falsehoods far more: https://news.osu.edu/conservatives-more-susceptible-to-believing-falsehoods/

The fundamentalist religious aspect of modern American conservatism have turned their ideology into one of “good vs evil”, and they literally believe (and routinely express) that they consider liberals “evil” in the biblical sense. This means they approach things with a very different mindset than the left does. Facts and details don’t matter to the right because they’re in a fight for the moral salvation of the nation. And while certainly not all republicans actually hold these fundie beliefs, they are content to go along with them.

The left may consider the right to be misguided and often bigoted and/or stupid — but not literally evil!!

Zero999:

--- Quote from: tooki on December 24, 2022, 01:09:02 pm ---
--- Quote from: Zero999 on December 22, 2022, 09:52:29 pm ---I have read enough CRT articles to know it's an extremist ideology and actually discriminates against black people, just as much as white. I don't need Fox or GB News to find that out.
--- End quote ---
The fact that you call it an “ideology” at all means you don’t really know what it means, because it’s a framework and methodology. Teaching CRT (even if it were done) isn’t teaching a viewpoint or conclusion, it’s teaching how to consider and observe how race could play into other things.

Read this cached-to-avoid-paywall article:
https://webcache.googleusercontent.com/search?q=cache:BDBD9iRxvssJ:https://www.washingtonpost.com/outlook/critical-race-theory-law-systemic-racism/2021/07/02/6abe7590-d9f5-11eb-8fb8-aea56b785b00_story.html&cd=3&hl=en&ct=clnk&gl=ch&client=safari
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The Washington Post are a left-wing outlet. They are no more trustworthy than Fox news. I arrived at my conclusions from reading Kimberly Crenshaw and pages on the Black Lives Matter website, which have since been taken down. Much of it reads very similar to Nazi propaganda, when rewritten with the word white replaced with Jew.


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--- Quote from: Zero999 on December 22, 2022, 09:52:29 pm ---It might not be taught in schools, under the name CRT, but there definitely appears to be many teachers taken in by the ideology and have introduced CRT-related concepts in the classroom. If it really isn't a problem, then the left wouldn't be complain when the right push for bills prohibiting the teaching of concepts such as white privilege, as a matter of fact, in classroom.

--- End quote ---
Because it’s not wise to pass laws based on nonexistent problems. It’ll end up banning things that shouldn’t have been.
Most such bills don’t actually name CRT, they just talk about anything to do with race. And frankly, I don’t think that race should be excluded from the classroom. Doing so makes it impossible to even remotely accurately teach history.
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I'm also wary of banning anything, but the laws I've seen don't explicitly deal with banning all discussion of race in the classroom. They just prohibit the teaching of the idea that one race is privileged or better than another.


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--- Quote from: Zero999 on December 22, 2022, 09:52:29 pm ---
--- Quote ---But the right doesn’t debate in good faith, they literally call the left “evil” and then invent things to support their position. I won’t abide that behavior.

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And the left are no better.

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That is plain and simply not true.

The right employs falsehoods far more: https://news.osu.edu/conservatives-more-susceptible-to-believing-falsehoods/

The fundamentalist religious aspect of modern American conservatism have turned their ideology into one of “good vs evil”, and they literally believe (and routinely express) that they consider liberals “evil” in the biblical sense. This means they approach things with a very different mindset than the left does. Facts and details don’t matter to the right because they’re in a fight for the moral salvation of the nation. And while certainly not all republicans actually hold these fundie beliefs, they are content to go along with them.
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Again more left-wing propaganda sites.

If true, it's hardly surprising some Conservatives are more likely to believe in falsehoods. This is because there's more censorship in organisations such as the mainstream media, social media and education establishments against Conservative views. A classic example was suppression of the Hunter Biden laptop scandal, which was initially deemed to be misinformation and censored, but later found out to be true. It's impossible to know what's true any more. Censorship breeds mistrust in the authorities and conspiracy theories.


--- Quote ---The left may consider the right to be misguided and often bigoted and/or stupid — but not literally evil!!
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The left often fling insults such as white supremacist at those on the right who disagree with them. If the most famous white supremacist who typically springs to mind, Adolf Hitler, isn't evil, then I don't know what is. There are plenty of bigots  on the left, just as much as the right, just look at the racism Larry Elder has received from the left, for having the "wrong" views. He gets called a black face on white supremacy.

In reality, there are evil lefties and righties. It's very difficult to say who's worse.

dave j:

--- Quote from: PlainName on December 23, 2022, 03:59:26 pm ---However, I agree that often members of both sides are misquoted or quoted out of context for the headlines, and if you read their actual words it's not so bad (and sometimes completely different). Even Boris suffered that with the £350m for the NHS which he didn't actually say but is now de facto truth.

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Boris doesn't get a pass for that. The slogan on the side of the bus, "We send the EU £350 million a week – let's fund our NHS instead", was certainly intended to give people the impression that voting for brexit would result in the NHS getting an extra £350m a week and the fact that so many people have said they voted for brexit for that reason indicates that many people did understand it that way.

No amount of language lawyering about them not actually putting "we will give that money to the NHS instead" so it doesn't count gets away from the fact that it was intended to be, and was, understood as the money would go the the NHS.

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