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| Ed.Kloonk:
--- Quote from: wraper on December 26, 2022, 08:13:46 pm ---Clickbait caption. --- End quote --- Totally. |
| tooki:
--- Quote from: Zero999 on December 26, 2022, 07:29:39 pm ---Not all of those on the right do that. You're going on what the left-wing media tells you. Not all Republicans are even that religious. Heck you do know that some of them are homosexual or even transgender: Caitlyn Jenner springs to mind. There are also left-wing teachers who are guilty of pushing their political views on children. It comes from both sides. --- End quote --- I’m not just going by what “media tells” me. Far from it. I have friends and family in the Deep South, and used to live there, and thus have plenty of hands-on experience with conservatives. --- Quote from: Zero999 on December 26, 2022, 07:29:39 pm --- --- Quote ---“I don’t have much else to go on” - then listen to (and believe) what people like me, who actually do have more to go on, tell you. --- End quote --- Have you actually been to a strongly left-wing state such as California? --- End quote --- Yes, I’ve been there multiple times and have many friends there. But my own home state is significantly more democrat (by voters’ party affiliation) than California! Admittedly, California has more of the loony left fringe — my state is one I consider to be quite sane. (Heck, this solidly democratic state had a Republican governor for two terms until just recently, because people actually voted on issues and performance instead of blind partisanship. And that governor in turn won people over by actually doing things the people wanted.) Upshot is, I’ve got plenty of firsthand experience with average people on both sides of the spectrum. (Much less so with the extremes of either.) |
| Zero999:
--- Quote from: tooki on December 26, 2022, 08:57:52 pm --- --- Quote from: Zero999 on December 26, 2022, 07:29:39 pm ---Not all of those on the right do that. You're going on what the left-wing media tells you. Not all Republicans are even that religious. Heck you do know that some of them are homosexual or even transgender: Caitlyn Jenner springs to mind. There are also left-wing teachers who are guilty of pushing their political views on children. It comes from both sides. --- End quote --- I’m not just going by what “media tells” me. Far from it. I have friends and family in the Deep South, and used to live there, and thus have plenty of hands-on experience with conservatives. --- Quote from: Zero999 on December 26, 2022, 07:29:39 pm --- --- Quote ---“I don’t have much else to go on” - then listen to (and believe) what people like me, who actually do have more to go on, tell you. --- End quote --- Have you actually been to a strongly left-wing state such as California? --- End quote --- Yes, I’ve been there multiple times and have many friends there. But my own home state is significantly more democrat (by voters’ party affiliation) than California! Admittedly, California has more of the loony left fringe — my state is one I consider to be quite sane. (Heck, this solidly democratic state had a Republican governor for two terms until just recently, because people actually voted on issues and performance instead of blind partisanship. And that governor in turn won people over by actually doing things the people wanted.) Upshot is, I’ve got plenty of firsthand experience with average people on both sides of the spectrum. (Much less so with the extremes of either.) --- End quote --- Just one more thing to add: have you considered why those who you disagree with, think they way they do? There will be a variety of reasons for holding certain viewpoints. Tempting as it is to post specific examples which you probably disagree with me on, I'll avoid doing so, as this thread is cluttered enough as it is. --- Quote from: wraper on December 26, 2022, 08:13:46 pm ---Clickbait caption. FWIW most likely you have that in your mobile phone and Tesla uses cobalt-free LFP batteries a lot for their lower range models. https://electrek.co/2022/04/22/tesla-using-cobalt-free-lfp-batteries-in-half-new-cars-produced/ Also they are trying to get rid of cobalt in their Li-ion batteries too. Western companies usually use cobalt from certified sources which "guarantee" human exploitation was not involved. Of course there are schemes in existence to sneak in cobalt from other sources and to dilute trouble free cobalt and pass as certified. --- End quote --- That's the problem with certification to prove something is ethical or environmentally friendly. It's all too often faked. The nature of corruption, both in companies and governments alike makes this inevitable. |
| SiliconWizard:
--- Quote from: wraper on December 26, 2022, 08:13:46 pm ---Clickbait caption. FWIW most likely you have that in your mobile phone and Tesla uses cobalt-free LFP batteries a lot for their lower range models. https://electrek.co/2022/04/22/tesla-using-cobalt-free-lfp-batteries-in-half-new-cars-produced/ Also they are trying to get rid of cobalt in their Li-ion batteries too. Western companies usually use cobalt from certified sources which "guarantee" human exploitation was not involved. Of course there are schemes in existence to sneak in cobalt from other sources and to dilute trouble free cobalt and pass as certified. --- End quote --- Uh yeah, the reality is that in most cases child labour is involved. Often through a chain of companies so that the "western" companies appear to be clean. Some companies may be an exception, especially when they design specialty batteries, but otherwise most Li-ion batteries in circulation come from China. The level of transparency is, uh, questionable. But it's a problem with our exploitation of resources in general. It's often not too pretty when you dig a little bit. And anyway, at the moment EVs are definitely not environmentally-friendly when you look at the big picture. It may happen over time, but rushing it doesn't make any sense. |
| MT:
--- Quote from: Zero999 on December 26, 2022, 07:40:13 pm ---History has shown that when Europeans leave African countries on their own, they go backwards. This happened in Zimbabwe and South Africa is taking a similar path. China is investing heavily in Africa. It will be interesting to see what effect they have over there in the future. --- End quote --- Also known as "looting" a country of its resources under the cover of "niceness" , yet if scrutinized it's all the same thing all over again. Chinese actually highly unpopular among the plebs in Africa and in the Amazon/South america , plenty of documentaries and documentation about it but you have to do the research your self. You simply dont invest 60billion USD in Africa unless there is at least a double payback to gain. |
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