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Zero999:

--- Quote from: vad on January 06, 2023, 04:15:26 pm ---
--- Quote ---René Salinas Ramos says the legal change is an attempt to gain full custody of his daughters, because Ecuadoran law favors mothers in custody battles.
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Did this legal move make him a mother?

PS. Ecuadorian laws remind me of Soviet laws. Divorce in the USSR meant two inevitable things to a former husband: loss of custody of his children and homelessness. The latter meant moving back to the parent’s apparent or to a hostel, because homelessness was also prohibited. The law called “MOTHERHOOD AND CHILDHOOD PROTECTION ACT” mandated that upon a divorce the custody of children should remain with the mother in 100% of the cases, and that the mother and children cannot be evicted from the residence they occupied prior to the divorce. Property ownership was prohibited under Soviet laws, and all residential properties were tenanted either from the state or cooperatives. The state would evict the former husband.

PPS. I did not know Elon was heading to Ecuador.

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I admit, I don't know much about Ecuador, but a quick Internet search has revealed it has been run by left-leaning/socialist governments for the last 40 years, so it shouldn't be surprising. The USSR did have some crazy policies, which are being repeated in the west: affirmative action is the most prominent one which springs to mind.


--- Quote from: wraper on January 06, 2023, 03:25:53 pm ---A good example why what you identify with stuff is total nonsense.

--- Quote ---Man Legally Changed Gender to Gain Custody of His Kids. Trans Groups Are Concerned.
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https://www.vice.com/en/article/m7gdny/man-legally-changed-gender-to-gain-custody-of-his-kids-trans-groups-are-concerned

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https://www.ons.gov.uk/peoplepopulationandcommunity/culturalidentity/genderidentity/bulletins/genderidentityenglandandwales/census2021

Meanwhile, the results of the most recent census conducted in 2021 reveal only 262k people out of 67.33 million in the UK identify as transgender. This is fewer than 0.5% of the adult population, or 0.38% if we include children, who should be considered to be too young to know for sure. Interestingly, out of the 262k, only 96k identified as either female or male, with a 50:50 split, meaning there are only 48k transwomen. The idea of changing the law, for such a tiny minority is crazy. It wouldn't matter if it wasn't open to abuse, but that's blatantly not the case. There are definitely more dishonest men, than 48k transwomen.

tooki:

--- Quote from: wraper on January 06, 2023, 03:25:53 pm ---A good example why what you identify with stuff is total nonsense.

--- Quote ---Man Legally Changed Gender to Gain Custody of His Kids. Trans Groups Are Concerned.
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https://www.vice.com/en/article/m7gdny/man-legally-changed-gender-to-gain-custody-of-his-kids-trans-groups-are-concerned

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No, what it is an example of is a bad, sexist law (the one giving more rights to mothers).

There's tons of stuff in laws around the world that needlessly codify discrimination by sex. It's no wonder people seek workarounds for those indignities.
wraper:

--- Quote from: tooki on January 07, 2023, 01:22:12 am ---
--- Quote from: wraper on January 06, 2023, 03:25:53 pm ---A good example why what you identify with stuff is total nonsense.

--- Quote ---Man Legally Changed Gender to Gain Custody of His Kids. Trans Groups Are Concerned.
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https://www.vice.com/en/article/m7gdny/man-legally-changed-gender-to-gain-custody-of-his-kids-trans-groups-are-concerned

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No, what it is an example of is a bad, sexist law (the one giving more rights to mothers).

There's tons of stuff in laws around the world that needlessly codify discrimination by sex. It's no wonder people seek workarounds for those indignities.

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In US it's about the same but ex husband likely will also pay an alimony on top of that (besides child support). What this example shows, there is no (and IMHO cannot be) an objective standard for this identify thing whatsoever, therefore it will be and already is exploited a lot if it gives an advantage of some sort.
james_s:

--- Quote from: wraper on January 07, 2023, 08:49:04 am ---In US it's about the same but ex husband likely will also pay an alimony on top of that (besides child support). What this example shows, there is no (and IMHO cannot be) an objective standard for this identify thing whatsoever, therefore it will be and already is exploited a lot if it gives an advantage of some sort.

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Thankfully not all states have alimony, it is an anachronism from back in the days when women didn't own property, didn't have careers and were pretty much screwed if they got divorced. Today a woman can leave a man for any reason, walk off with half his assets and his kids, collect child support, and then in alimony states he's stuck paying a large fraction of his paycheck to his ex wife even if she is settled in with a new guy. Even though my state does not have alimony, marriage has long struck me as an incredibly large risk relative to the reward, with around 50% of marriages ending in divorce it is playing Russian roulette with half of the chambers loaded.
tom66:

--- Quote from: james_s on January 07, 2023, 09:14:05 am ---
--- Quote from: wraper on January 07, 2023, 08:49:04 am ---In US it's about the same but ex husband likely will also pay an alimony on top of that (besides child support). What this example shows, there is no (and IMHO cannot be) an objective standard for this identify thing whatsoever, therefore it will be and already is exploited a lot if it gives an advantage of some sort.

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Thankfully not all states have alimony, it is an anachronism from back in the days when women didn't own property, didn't have careers and were pretty much screwed if they got divorced. Today a woman can leave a man for any reason, walk off with half his assets and his kids, collect child support, and then in alimony states he's stuck paying a large fraction of his paycheck to his ex wife even if she is settled in with a new guy. Even though my state does not have alimony, marriage has long struck me as an incredibly large risk relative to the reward, with around 50% of marriages ending in divorce it is playing Russian roulette with half of the chambers loaded.

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In some countries you can be considered 'married' if you live together long enough but are never legally married. 

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