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Elon Musk is a nice chap
AVGresponding:
--- Quote from: tom66 on January 07, 2023, 09:36:24 am ---
--- Quote from: james_s on January 07, 2023, 09:14:05 am ---
--- Quote from: wraper on January 07, 2023, 08:49:04 am ---In US it's about the same but ex husband likely will also pay an alimony on top of that (besides child support). What this example shows, there is no (and IMHO cannot be) an objective standard for this identify thing whatsoever, therefore it will be and already is exploited a lot if it gives an advantage of some sort.
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Thankfully not all states have alimony, it is an anachronism from back in the days when women didn't own property, didn't have careers and were pretty much screwed if they got divorced. Today a woman can leave a man for any reason, walk off with half his assets and his kids, collect child support, and then in alimony states he's stuck paying a large fraction of his paycheck to his ex wife even if she is settled in with a new guy. Even though my state does not have alimony, marriage has long struck me as an incredibly large risk relative to the reward, with around 50% of marriages ending in divorce it is playing Russian roulette with half of the chambers loaded.
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In some countries you can be considered 'married' if you live together long enough but are never legally married.
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What a nuisance that would be, having to keep an eye on the calendar to make sure you got out in time! Fortunately in the UK we don't have such a law.
PlainName:
--- Quote from: AVGresponding on January 07, 2023, 11:58:47 am ---
--- Quote from: tom66 on January 07, 2023, 09:36:24 am ---
--- Quote from: james_s on January 07, 2023, 09:14:05 am ---
--- Quote from: wraper on January 07, 2023, 08:49:04 am ---In US it's about the same but ex husband likely will also pay an alimony on top of that (besides child support). What this example shows, there is no (and IMHO cannot be) an objective standard for this identify thing whatsoever, therefore it will be and already is exploited a lot if it gives an advantage of some sort.
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Thankfully not all states have alimony, it is an anachronism from back in the days when women didn't own property, didn't have careers and were pretty much screwed if they got divorced. Today a woman can leave a man for any reason, walk off with half his assets and his kids, collect child support, and then in alimony states he's stuck paying a large fraction of his paycheck to his ex wife even if she is settled in with a new guy. Even though my state does not have alimony, marriage has long struck me as an incredibly large risk relative to the reward, with around 50% of marriages ending in divorce it is playing Russian roulette with half of the chambers loaded.
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In some countries you can be considered 'married' if you live together long enough but are never legally married.
--- End quote ---
What a nuisance that would be, having to keep an eye on the calendar to make sure you got out in time! Fortunately in the UK we don't have such a law.
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Oh yes we do. If you need to claim benefits then your partner's resources will be taken into account as if you were a married couple. And to rub the salt in, you can't acquire benefits married couples get unless you're actually married - should one die without leaving a will, their dosh goes to the crown rather than the other partner, for instance.
AVGresponding:
--- Quote from: PlainName on January 07, 2023, 12:59:09 pm ---
--- Quote from: AVGresponding on January 07, 2023, 11:58:47 am ---
--- Quote from: tom66 on January 07, 2023, 09:36:24 am ---
--- Quote from: james_s on January 07, 2023, 09:14:05 am ---
--- Quote from: wraper on January 07, 2023, 08:49:04 am ---In US it's about the same but ex husband likely will also pay an alimony on top of that (besides child support). What this example shows, there is no (and IMHO cannot be) an objective standard for this identify thing whatsoever, therefore it will be and already is exploited a lot if it gives an advantage of some sort.
--- End quote ---
Thankfully not all states have alimony, it is an anachronism from back in the days when women didn't own property, didn't have careers and were pretty much screwed if they got divorced. Today a woman can leave a man for any reason, walk off with half his assets and his kids, collect child support, and then in alimony states he's stuck paying a large fraction of his paycheck to his ex wife even if she is settled in with a new guy. Even though my state does not have alimony, marriage has long struck me as an incredibly large risk relative to the reward, with around 50% of marriages ending in divorce it is playing Russian roulette with half of the chambers loaded.
--- End quote ---
In some countries you can be considered 'married' if you live together long enough but are never legally married.
--- End quote ---
What a nuisance that would be, having to keep an eye on the calendar to make sure you got out in time! Fortunately in the UK we don't have such a law.
--- End quote ---
Oh yes we do. If you need to claim benefits then your partner's resources will be taken into account as if you were a married couple. And to rub the salt in, you can't acquire benefits married couples get unless you're actually married - should one die without leaving a will, their dosh goes to the crown rather than the other partner, for instance.
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That's not the same as being considered to be married. If you share your habitation with other adults you don't have a sexual/life-partner relationship with, their income will also be considered in a benefits situation.
The main point, in context, is that if you co-habit with a partner for any length of time, without being married, or having a civil partnership, if the relationship ends no-one will have any automatic claim on the other's assets or income.
Zero999:
--- Quote from: tom66 on January 07, 2023, 09:36:24 am ---
--- Quote from: james_s on January 07, 2023, 09:14:05 am ---
--- Quote from: wraper on January 07, 2023, 08:49:04 am ---In US it's about the same but ex husband likely will also pay an alimony on top of that (besides child support). What this example shows, there is no (and IMHO cannot be) an objective standard for this identify thing whatsoever, therefore it will be and already is exploited a lot if it gives an advantage of some sort.
--- End quote ---
Thankfully not all states have alimony, it is an anachronism from back in the days when women didn't own property, didn't have careers and were pretty much screwed if they got divorced. Today a woman can leave a man for any reason, walk off with half his assets and his kids, collect child support, and then in alimony states he's stuck paying a large fraction of his paycheck to his ex wife even if she is settled in with a new guy. Even though my state does not have alimony, marriage has long struck me as an incredibly large risk relative to the reward, with around 50% of marriages ending in divorce it is playing Russian roulette with half of the chambers loaded.
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In some countries you can be considered 'married' if you live together long enough but are never legally married.
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What if my sister were to divorce and she and the children ended up living with me? Surly that wouldn't apply.
SiliconWizard:
--- Quote from: Zero999 on January 07, 2023, 05:54:47 pm ---
--- Quote from: tom66 on January 07, 2023, 09:36:24 am ---
--- Quote from: james_s on January 07, 2023, 09:14:05 am ---
--- Quote from: wraper on January 07, 2023, 08:49:04 am ---In US it's about the same but ex husband likely will also pay an alimony on top of that (besides child support). What this example shows, there is no (and IMHO cannot be) an objective standard for this identify thing whatsoever, therefore it will be and already is exploited a lot if it gives an advantage of some sort.
--- End quote ---
Thankfully not all states have alimony, it is an anachronism from back in the days when women didn't own property, didn't have careers and were pretty much screwed if they got divorced. Today a woman can leave a man for any reason, walk off with half his assets and his kids, collect child support, and then in alimony states he's stuck paying a large fraction of his paycheck to his ex wife even if she is settled in with a new guy. Even though my state does not have alimony, marriage has long struck me as an incredibly large risk relative to the reward, with around 50% of marriages ending in divorce it is playing Russian roulette with half of the chambers loaded.
--- End quote ---
In some countries you can be considered 'married' if you live together long enough but are never legally married.
--- End quote ---
What if my sister were to divorce and she and the children ended up living with me? Surly that wouldn't apply.
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;D
I'd be curious to know which countries it is exactly. I've never heard of that and it sure sounds dodgy. But if it's true, the claim should be backed up with some evidence.
Legally speaking, there are circumstances in which an explicit contract between two persons may not be required to establish an implicit contract. That is for instance the case for house renting, at least over here. If no renting contract was established, but someone is effectively living in a house and paying a rent monthly to a landlord, then after some given delay (don't remember how long), it's considered there's an implicit contract. I've never heard of such a thing for something as private and personal as marriage, and would be curious to know where it would apply. If it ever exists, I would suspect this would be in some country that is politically led by an official religion. From a civil point of view, an implicit marriage sounds like a complete nonsense.
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