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Elon Musk's Vegas Loop... Debunking.
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Alex Eisenhut:

--- Quote from: Ed.Kloonk on April 23, 2021, 04:16:47 am ---
I watched American Werewolf in London yesterday.


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She was also in two Avengers movies.
2N3055:

--- Quote from: wraper on April 23, 2021, 02:56:47 am ---
--- Quote from: Domagoj T on April 22, 2021, 08:11:01 pm ---Wouldn't this fall into some category of public transportation system, in which case it would, I assume, be subject to various rule, including fire code?
No fire suppression, or even detection, no evacuation route, in fact the cars block the only way out. This thing is a death trap and I can't fathom how it got an operation permit (or whatever it's called).

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You certainly did your research to claim that... Oh wait, you did not. https://www.boringcompany.com/loop

--- Quote ---Loop has no internal touch hazards (e.g. a 600 volt third rail), enabling safe evacuation, minimizing potential fire sources, and eliminating any dangerous effects of (unlikely) water intrusion (Teslas can safely handle some rain). In the unlikely case that a fire does occur, the tunnel’s redundant, bidirectional ventilation system will remove the smoke to allow passengers to safely evacuate.
Loop tunnels are outfitted with emergency exits, fire detection systems, fire suppression systems, and a fire-rated first responder emergency communication system.  The systems are tested frequently with local Police and Fire Departments.
Loop vehicles and passengers have direct communications to an Operational Control Center (manned 24/7) via Blue Light Stations, LTE cell service, and WiFi.
Loop tunnels are fully illuminated - and if an incident does occur, Loop has 100% camera coverage (no blind spots!)
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--- Quote ---in fact the cars block the only way out.
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In fact nothing prevents you from leaving on your own foot  :palm:.

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You never saw a burning car, especially electric Tesla, that fire department procedure is to evacuate everybody at safe distance and let it burn until it stops. Ventilation will act to make thing burn more nicely, bringing fresh oxygen.

https://firesciencereviews.springeropen.com/articles/10.1186/s40038-015-0006-6

Musk is an opportunistic con artist. He promises anything that people are willing to hear, and if there is an interest, he tries to find someone to make it for him. If they fail  it's their fault, if they actually make it work, it is his genius and vision. He's full of crap... But in today's faker society he's the hero of all the fakers...
wraper:

--- Quote from: 2N3055 on April 23, 2021, 10:52:54 am ---You never saw a burning car, especially electric Tesla,

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Tesla model 3 is basically the safest car you can get in regards of caching fire. Also if Tesla catches fire, it propagates much slower than in a regular car.

--- Quote ---that fire department procedure is to evacuate everybody at safe distance and let it burn until it stops.
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BS, it's nothing like that. https://www.usfa.fema.gov/training/coffee_break/061819.html
https://www.tesla.com/sites/default/files/downloads/2016_Model_S_Emergency_Response_Guide_en.pdf

--- Quote ---Ventilation will act to make thing burn more nicely, bringing fresh oxygen.
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So you should let people die from breathing smoke.

--- Quote ---Musk is an opportunistic con artist. He promises anything that people are willing to hear, and if there is an interest, he tries to find someone to make it for him. If they fail  it's their fault, if they actually make it work, it is his genius and vision. He's full of crap...
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uninformed BS, in the meantime you can watch a livestream where his company launches astronauts to ISS https://youtu.be/oqA0ndN-rDc
2N3055:

--- Quote from: wraper on April 23, 2021, 11:32:48 am ---
--- Quote from: 2N3055 on April 23, 2021, 10:52:54 am ---You never saw a burning car, especially electric Tesla,

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Tesla model 3 is basically the safest car you can get in regards of caching fire. Also if Tesla catches fire, it propagates much slower than in a regular car.

--- Quote ---that fire department procedure is to evacuate everybody at safe distance and let it burn until it stops.
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BS, it's nothing like that. https://www.usfa.fema.gov/training/coffee_break/061819.html
https://www.tesla.com/sites/default/files/downloads/Model_3_Emergency_Response_Sheet_en.pdf

--- Quote ---Ventilation will act to make thing burn more nicely, bringing fresh oxygen.
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So you should let people die from breathing smoke.

--- Quote ---Musk is an opportunistic con artist. He promises anything that people are willing to hear, and if there is an interest, he tries to find someone to make it for him. If they fail  it's their fault, if they actually make it work, it is his genius and vision. He's full of crap...
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uninformed BS, in the meantime you can watch a livestream where his company launches astronauts to ISS https://youtu.be/oqA0ndN-rDc

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Yeah, we know you're the biggest Musk's fan of the hemisphere...
I said gasoline and mentioned that electric is even worse if it gets on fire... Stop misdirecting..

Read that paper I linked... And despite fanboyism, fire depts will work as USFD mandates, not Tesla... And read what amounts of water are needed.
Vehicle fire requires fire dept personnel and equipment. How will you get people and equipment in and out if it is blocked.

Yes, his company. The work of hundreds of engineers that stood on shoulders of giants and used combined experience of 50 years of space industry research. It is their accomplishment, not his. Like I said.
So far they are doing good. We'll see in 20 years, how good they really were. Numbers will tell..

Real world research on EV fires in tunel.

https://hagerbach.ch/fileadmin/user_upload/news/Road_tunnel_safety_Hazards_of_electric_vehicle_fires_Mellert_2018.pdf

They clearly say energy release is similar to gasoline vehicle, but amount of water is much more, and there are other haphazards. But that is for a classic tunnel that has much larger volume and escape routes.. Also biggest problem is cleanup, with no space for specialized equipment and crew.
wraper:

--- Quote from: 2N3055 on April 23, 2021, 11:54:05 am ---Read that paper I linked... And despite fanboyism,

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Providing a link to a very long document without bringing any points it contains is the best argument ever. And I bet you barely read it yourself.

--- Quote ---fire depts will work as USFD mandates, not Tesla... And read what amounts of water are needed.
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I literally provided you a link to US fire administration  :palm:
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