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Elon Musk's Vegas Loop... Debunking.
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BrianHG:

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--- Quote from: Domagoj T on April 22, 2021, 08:11:01 pm ---Wouldn't this fall into some category of public transportation system, in which case it would, I assume, be subject to various rule, including fire code?
No fire suppression, or even detection, no evacuation route, in fact the cars block the only way out. This thing is a death trap and I can't fathom how it got an operation permit (or whatever it's called).

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You certainly did your research to claim that... Oh wait, you did not. https://www.boringcompany.com/loop

--- Quote ---Loop has no internal touch hazards (e.g. a 600 volt third rail), enabling safe evacuation, minimizing potential fire sources, and eliminating any dangerous effects of (unlikely) water intrusion (Teslas can safely handle some rain). In the unlikely case that a fire does occur, the tunnel’s redundant, bidirectional ventilation system will remove the smoke to allow passengers to safely evacuate.
Loop tunnels are outfitted with emergency exits, fire detection systems, fire suppression systems, and a fire-rated first responder emergency communication system.  The systems are tested frequently with local Police and Fire Departments.
Loop vehicles and passengers have direct communications to an Operational Control Center (manned 24/7) via Blue Light Stations, LTE cell service, and WiFi.
Loop tunnels are fully illuminated - and if an incident does occur, Loop has 100% camera coverage (no blind spots!)
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--- Quote ---in fact the cars block the only way out.
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In fact nothing prevents you from leaving on your own foot  :palm:.

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I will not trust this system until I see an example evacuation during a fire, seeing actual two 400 pound Americans successfully opening the Tesla car door, one one each side of the car, get out, and evacuate the tunnel past other Tesla cars in the tunnel in time while the ventilation system leaves them enough clean breathable air at standing height with that tiny diameter tunnel's height.  If they are so confident of the system, show me an example video of an actual test fire care of this tiny tunnel, or show example past cases of such a setup.  A veritably accurate computer simulation would be acceptable too.
fourfathom:

--- Quote from: 2N3055 on April 23, 2021, 11:54:05 am ---Yes, his company. The work of hundreds of engineers that stood on shoulders of giants and used combined experience of 50 years of space industry research. It is their accomplishment, not his.
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Did Musk claim that he personally designed the SpaceX rockets?  If not, this is a rather silly complaint.  He hired smart people to use existing technology and expand on it.  Just like most companies.  And it wouldn't have happened without him.  I call that an huge accomplishment and give him tons of credit for it.
wraper:

--- Quote from: fourfathom on April 26, 2021, 12:54:39 am ---
--- Quote from: 2N3055 on April 23, 2021, 11:54:05 am ---Yes, his company. The work of hundreds of engineers that stood on shoulders of giants and used combined experience of 50 years of space industry research. It is their accomplishment, not his.
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Did Musk claim that he personally designed the SpaceX rockets?  If not, this is a rather silly complaint.  He hired smart people to use existing technology and expand on it.  Just like most companies.  And it wouldn't have happened without him.  I call that an huge accomplishment and give him tons of credit for it.

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I guess by being purist he uses electronic components made by himself from wood. Otherwise it would be "standing on shoulders of giants and using combined experience of 50 years of industry research."
bson:

--- Quote from: 2N3055 on April 23, 2021, 10:52:54 am ---Musk is an opportunistic con artist. He promises anything that people are willing to hear, and if there is an interest, he tries to find someone to make it for him.

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But in this case the Las Vegas Convention Center contracted the Boring Company to build this tunnel for them.  I'm sure they got exactly what they wanted - and more importantly paid for.  It's just a novelty project to create interest and draw conventions.  Not the kind of con you're thinking of.
coppercone2:
American werewolf in london was a suprizing movie. I watched it towards the end of all the classic movies and it made me quite interested in the british metro system and for some reason 80's British culture or the depiction of it. Not sure why. Nothing else made me quite wonder what the hell I would be doing if I ended up in england. Nothing to do with the werewolf even, its just a weird set. maybe the 80's england was just really weird
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