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Elon Musk's Vegas Loop... Debunking.

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fourfathom:
I think the lack of critical thinking is to look at this as anything other than an amusement park ride.  This is *LAS VEGAS*, where people build pyramids and Eiffel Tower replicas.  The passengers don't care about how many seconds they save, they just want a fun ride from the convention to the casino, then to the show.  The project is a success if it brings in more customers and they gamble away more money.

boffin:

--- Quote from: fourfathom on June 15, 2021, 04:57:40 pm ---I think the lack of critical thinking is to look at this as anything other than an amusement park ride.  This is *LAS VEGAS*, where people build pyramids and Eiffel Tower replicas.  The passengers don't care about how many seconds they save, they just want a fun ride from the convention to the casino, then to the show.  The project is a success if it brings in more customers and they gamble away more money.

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Well done, jumping in and not even understanding where this is. 

People wont use this for a 'fun ride', not to the casino, nor to the show.

This is *not* open to the average Las Vegas visitor.  This is a private connection between two sections of the Las Vegas convention centre, that  are separated by Paradise Road, a major 6-lane north-south corridor running parallel, and just east of the 'strip'.

fourfathom:

--- Quote from: boffin on June 16, 2021, 12:06:12 am ---Well done, jumping in and not even understanding where this is. 

People wont use this for a 'fun ride', not to the casino, nor to the show.

This is *not* open to the average Las Vegas visitor.  This is a private connection between two sections of the Las Vegas convention centre, that  are separated by Paradise Road, a major 6-lane north-south corridor running parallel, and just east of the 'strip'.

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You may be right, but the Las Vegas Convention Center??? You mean the Las Vegas Convention Center where CES and so many other trade show events take place?  Where I used to go annually for COMDEX (before that one shut down)?  These trade shows bring in huge crowds, and OK, I guess the route doesn't hit the casinos, but the Loop is still there to encourage the trade-show visitors to come to Las Vegas.  They go to the casinos, shows, strip-clubs, restaurants, hotels, etc, when the trade show lets out for the day.  So what it it's not the most efficient people-mover?

boffin:

--- Quote from: fourfathom on June 16, 2021, 12:37:07 am ---You may be right, but the Las Vegas Convention Center??? You mean the Las Vegas Convention Center where CES and so many other trade show events take place?  Where I used to go annually for COMDEX (before that one shut down)?  These trade shows bring in huge crowds, and OK, I guess the route doesn't hit the casinos, but the Loop is still there to encourage the trade-show visitors to come to Las Vegas.  They go to the casinos, shows, strip-clubs, restaurants, hotels, etc, when the trade show lets out for the day.  So what it it's not the most efficient people-mover?

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if you used to go to Comdex, you may remember the Riviera hotel.  The west hall of the convention center now occupies that space; and the tunnel goes under Paradise to connect it to the main hall.

Comdex's history is kind of interesting, and actually for a good chunk of Comdex's life, it actually was 100% designed to avoid the convention center, and only use hotel convention space. Owner of Comdex (Sheldon Adelson), was making so much money out of Comdex, and his only significant expense was convention space, so he had the idea "I know, I'll build a giant convention center myself so I don't have to pay LVCVA...", so he bought the Las Vegas Sands hotel (which had a big property), and built the Sands convention center (which is where Comdex was in the mid 90s).  He then sold Comdex (the trade show) to Softbank, and used the money to fund knocking down the Sands and build the Venetian hotel (and attach it to their existing Sands convention center).  It's literally the hotel Comdex built.

Anyway, no one goes to the convention center (at least I would hope) so they can say "Hey, I rode in a car in a tunnel" (you can get that just being long-hauled out of McCarran airport)
What they really go to the convention center for is the cheap rate Wifi (this is from world of concrete last week)

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boffin:

--- Quote from: wraper on May 31, 2021, 05:54:01 am ---https://twitter.com/SHillforVegas/status/1398497136623247361

--- Quote ---Congratulations
@boringcompany
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@LVCVA
 Loop capacity testing exceeded 4400 passengers per hour on Tuesday, confirmed today after reviewing results. #OnlyVegas
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You didn't read what I said.  I never said it couldn't carry 4400 passengers an hour.  I said the way they measure that is a very very different number than traditional transit systems, and represents only 1100 pphpd (which is what traditional systems measure in).  For example our local expo line is 25,000 pphpd. 



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