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shabaz:
What about talented locals who want to work elsewhere in order to sell globally to turn a bit more profit?

When they take their untalented families along with them, the average might have a chance of getting back up to 100, or perhaps increasing further. Unfortunately, that would be asking other countries to accept what you're unwilling to do, which, unfortunately, they would consider to be hypocritical.



--- Quote ---Mathematics dictates that if current average is 100, and you add more that is below 100, the average will go down.  So if we import "the untalented people happy to work" as you put it, we become less talented on average.  So it is a lost.
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EDIT: Also, there's a false equivalency you've sneaked in there. Adding talent, and 'untalented' people isn't a 'loss'. Those 'untalented' can still work, study, and contribute. Not everyone needs to be exceptionally talented like the person you mentioned earlier, to contribute to society.

CatalinaWOW:

--- Quote from: Rick Law on April 10, 2024, 01:33:41 am ---
--- Quote from: CatalinaWOW on April 09, 2024, 11:38:12 pm ---If you want to get talent from another country to immigrate, don't set up a special category (H1B) that doesn't allow immigration and doesn't recognize the social ties that these talented people may have.  Give real, permanent resident status to the gifted resource and spouse and children and presumably the potential of citizenship.  In many cases this talent is a cluster (doesn't matter whether it is genetics or social) so expanding to other near relatives would be a win for the accepting country.

Of course expecting immigration officials to recognize such desirable talents is kind of like asking HR to supply superior talents.  It is theoretically possible, but the reality often falls very short of the theory.

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Immigration official are not the ones who creates immigration laws, nor do they judge the worth of the applicant's knowledge.  Existing H1B laws of today merely requires that they advertised the job (for a certain duration if enforced) and could not find qualified US citizen (or non citizen already with work permission) for the job.  But -- job requirements can be so readily worded/created that only one person can ever fulfill.  So current requirement (if it is even enforced) at best merely slow down process a bit but cannot stop employers merely looking for a cheap hire.

Even if Congress creates a law to put an employer tax on H1B, congress did not judge the worth of the H1B'er.  The employer did the "worth judging" by offering the H1B a job of $X compensation.  The tax or fee(if done as I suggested) would just be a fixed percentage of that value $X as determined by the employer.

Importing exceptional talent is beneficial to the receiving country.  Importing unexceptional talent for lower cost merely hollows out the industry and turn it into an industry of cheap, unimaginative, and low quality product creator.  It is damaging to the receiving country.  If the employer is not willing to pay extra, it is an indication that the talent isn't worth the extra.

If tech industries continue to use CPA (cheapest price available) methods of purchasing and recruiting, we will just be another creator of junk products.  From all the indicators I can observe, we (the USA) are well on the decline.  I am fearful Idiocracy is already in the making.

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Apparently I did not express myself clearly.  Nothing I said was intended to be contradictory to your reply.  I support immigration by exceptional talent.  But will stand by my comment that we seem very incapable of judging that, whether through corporate or government organizations

Rick Law:

--- Quote from: CatalinaWOW on April 10, 2024, 03:52:29 pm ---...
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Apparently I did not express myself clearly.  Nothing I said was intended to be contradictory to your reply.  I support immigration by exceptional talent.  But will stand by my comment that we seem very incapable of judging that, whether through corporate or government organizations

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My lack of writing skill actually.  Mea Culpa.  Apology included.

I understood your points and I got the agreement.  The only difference you proposed was the starting point 15% vs 60%.

I was using that reply to also address the other points I have read here on this thread, but failed to adequately express well enough to distinct that from other replies verses those your writing...  Writing isn't one of my talents, I suppose.

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