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[SOLVED] Ericsson slammed me with a Copyright Strike on a Teardown video, help!?
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Red Squirrel:
I wonder if hosters outside of the UN/NATO countries would be safe.   Would be a case for building a Youtube competitor in one of those places just to stay away from their insane laws.  Still enforce clear copyright violation like people trying to host movies, but just don't cater to the ridiculous DMCA stuff.
Mr. Scram:

--- Quote from: Red Squirrel on February 09, 2020, 07:59:46 pm ---Yeah this is definitely part of the problem and that really needs to change.  The host should not be held liable at very least.  But also the law needs to change so that frivolous claims actually hold a risk.   IMO the way it should work is if you sue for X amount, but you lose the case, you need to give that amount two fold to the defendant + some kind of fixed administrative fee + the defendant's lost money from having to be at court, ex: salary, travel expenses etc.  There needs to be a risk involved.  Of course if it's a cut and dry case then there is less risk, but it would help prevent all the more ridiculous or questionable cases.

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It's not unreasonable to hold the host accountable when it doesn't act upon information but the problem lies in not requiring any evidence for a claim and being able to submit endless false claims. Just like the receiving end has limited leeway and will be banned for too many infractions, the party making the claim should be penalised for unjust and frivolous claims. If you're obviously abusing the system you should be ousted from it. Unfortunately the system is skewed by intensive lobbying and heavily favouring slap happy content owners.
NiHaoMike:

--- Quote from: peter-h on February 09, 2020, 06:41:42 pm ---Otherwise just self host it. Set up a server; you can get 100GB+ for $10/month.

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Or host it on P2P for free.
janoc:

--- Quote from: Red Squirrel on February 09, 2020, 08:11:10 pm ---I wonder if hosters outside of the UN/NATO countries would be safe.   Would be a case for building a Youtube competitor in one of those places just to stay away from their insane laws.  Still enforce clear copyright violation like people trying to host movies, but just don't cater to the ridiculous DMCA stuff.

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That has zero to do with UN or NATO. NATO doesn't enforce  (fortunately!) copyright yet, that is a military alliance. And there is no uniform copyright regime between UN countries neither, not even between US and Europe, so UN has zero to do with it too. Copyright is partially a matter of WTO and then of each country.


You can certainly build a youtube competitor but it would be a tricky proposition:

a) Countries outside of US and EU jurisdiction are rarely those where most of your users/viewers are and the infrastructure isn't great neither, especially for hosting video. I mean, you certainly could put a datacenter on some island somewhere but then what? Unless you want to send pigeons with USB sticks it needs to connect to the internet still.

b) If you host what is deemed to be illegal content, your service will get blocked by the target countries. E.g. here in France courts routinely order blocks of servers hosting terrorist stuff or illegal movie downloads and such. You would be constantly playing whack-a-mole with this until your connection provider finally cuts you off for being more trouble than you are worth to them. Just look at Mega, PirateBay or SciHub. And given that you want to be in some places outside of "civilization", good luck trying to find multiple ones to diversify ...

c) Oh and places outside of countries jurisdictions (international waters and such - if you thinking something akin to pirate radio ...) - that also means that if someone sends a commando there and burns the place/ship down or sinks it, good luck calling cops to help you ... And yes, things like that did happen before (pirate radio ships around UK, Rainbow Warrior, Sealand ...). Governments rarely like smartasses thumbing their noses at them and in international waters you are a fair game.

d) Who pays for all of this? Hosting isn't cheap, especially when you need a ton of space and bandwidth, even worse when it is in some remote place where connectivity may be a problem too (did you look how much does a satellite link cost recently?). Advertising (akin to Youtube) isn't an option - serious businesses won't touch shady offshore business and you have no users to sell to a potential advertiser yet anyway.

So good luck with that offshore alt-Youtube fantasy but I doubt you have thought this through.
Siwastaja:

--- Quote from: Mr. Scram on February 09, 2020, 08:16:08 pm ---problem lies in not requiring any evidence for a claim and being able to submit endless false claims

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That's why it's an actual crime to do so (and quite serious, actually).

Different thing is, companies tend to get away with such crimes.

But it's definitely a crime on paper.
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