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| [SOLVED] Ericsson slammed me with a Copyright Strike on a Teardown video, help!? |
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| TheDane:
Perhaps busy creating a 2'nd channel to avoid stuff like this in the future - this is popular amongst some YouTubers to have as a backup plan :popcorn: Ytringsfrihed gælder også teknisk indsigt |
| madsbarnkob:
I wish there was more to tell of this story, than there currently is. 1) No reply from Ericsson lawyer, I am not sure if the person is on Winter vacation, as we do have that in Denmark in week 7 and its somewhere between week 7-10 in Sweden. I doubt that is the case though, there was time before week 7 to answer this, but who knows could be 1000+ unanswered emails in the inbox. 2) Contacting Youtube support about the issue of claimant not living up to the copyright claim minimum requirements in part 2A: "Detailed and specific description of infringement" Resulted in 3 copy/paste replies from different support workers before the 3rd told me to contact copyright@youtube.com, still awaiting their reply and usually there has been 2 days between replies on the first emails. I will keep you posted :) |
| madsbarnkob:
The pen is mightier than the sword and I am happy that I went here for advise and slept a few times before just firing the email button, disputing and setting all kinds of things in movement. The email sent to Ericsson's lawyer was the following: --- Quote ---Hello ***** I have received a blocked video notification, that has you as the claimant. Video: Ericsson RBS3202 1800MHz Radio Base Station teardown. I can not link you to it, as it is unavailable due to your takedown. I am rather surprised by this claim and the reason for asking YouTube to remove my video. Your reason given: "This videoclip include detailed information of the product - Ericsson RBS3202 - which belong to an area where our company holds many IPR rights" is very vague and I am left with no idea of what IPR I should have violated? I can only assume that this is all a mistake. That you as a *job title* with IPR experience, from previous work as well as, at Ericsson would not send out such a notice. Maybe you hired a "social media cleanup company"? I am an electronics amateur and enthusiast. Just like your CEO, "engineer at heart", we are just some people that like to look at electronics. I am looking forward to your reply and that we can get this misunderstanding sorted out and each continue to our own :) -- Kind regards Mads Barnkob --- End quote --- Today, 7 days later I saw on socialblade that my views had gone up by a few thousand, checked my email and sure enough, the copyright claim has been withdrawn. Here is, in my own words, a resume of the email I received. Only a resume to not publish a private email. --- Quote ---Dear Mads, Thank you for contacting Ericsson. The situation has been discussed internally and we have withdrawn the YouTube Take Down request. Apologies for the inconvenience this has caused you. Kind regards, ********* ********** --- End quote --- So all-in-all it was a hastened mistake by Ericsson and they realized this after a single email about the matter. As Dave also mentioned in one of his posts or videos, that he oringally did not want to publish the videos about the copyright claims that was later on withdrawn, but what do you guys say? Should I make a video about the claim, lack of help from YouTube, IANAL advise from here and the happy ending? It is hard to tell from the almost single line answer from Ericsson what they were trying to do in the first place. Was it just headless actions, trial and error on what can be done or malicious act to quench everything they do not control? :-// All 5 videos are now public again, only 1 was taken down, I quickly set the remaining 4 to private to avoid 3 strikes in a row. |
| Mr. Scram:
--- Quote from: peter-h on February 12, 2020, 09:44:40 am ---The right to be forgotten is widely misunderstood. A lot of people think it gives them the right to demand deletion of all their forum posts. Like the right for a book author to demand that every library carrying his books burns them :) In the UK this was tested and AFAIK the current case law is that only false information about somebody can be demanded to be deleted. Google had to remove search results of a court case which was incorrectly reported and denigrated the defendant (as most are :) ). Every forum should have in its Ts & Cs that the author grants the forum host to display the posts in perpetuity. After all, they were originally posted to become public. --- End quote --- Disagreed. You change, your opinions change and the world changes. Your posts remain the same. It's unreasonable to expect people to express themselves in ways that are still relevant and applicable 30 years from now. We've seen people crucified for things they said years ago in a rather different context. Before your statements tended to be very temporary bar a few exceptions and the internet has changed that into near permanence. Luckily the right to be forgotten is a bit broader than you suggest although to actually be forgotten is still neigh on impossible. |
| peter-h:
Excellent news on the Ericsson saga. They need to be careful re bad publicity in the current Huawei v. Ericsson v. Nokia decision climate :) We will have to agree to disagree Mr Scram :) If you visit a forum (which, remember, is a site run by somebody else for "your" free enjoyment, and as I well know this is often not a pleasant job due to the activities of a small % of people) and you place something on there, you are publishing it, and you are publishing it for the whole world to see, for eternity. If you don't want to stand behind it, fair enough, but it is not the web server owner's problem to deal with. "You" could post it on your own website where you have total control... Practically speaking this is why nobody should post anywhere on the internet under their full name. And avoid posting details of where you live, etc. If you have a sensitive job then be extra careful; there are evil and vindictive people out there. Posting under a good alias allows you to walk away from a piece of your life, without destroying a resource you once helped to create. There are valid exceptions to the above. For example if you write something which later is embarrassing, or which is illegal. In these cases the admins should allow deletion (I always would on the site I run). One funny example was a guy wrote about some trip he did on which he met a girl and "had a good time". Then a month later he contacts me in a panic, saying his wife might see it. I just laughed and removed the offending passage. Other times, stuff has to be removed because some company threatens to sue. So one has to be somewhat careful what one writes if there is p1ssing off potential in it... A total right to have one's postings deleted would destroy brilliant informative forums like eevblog. |
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