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Nominal Animal:

--- Quote from: Simon on May 16, 2022, 07:15:08 pm ---when you can drive the length of a country in a day you need more universal laws than for every 2000 people or no one knows where they stand.
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Sure.

The true question is, should people living in a city at the center of a region be able to dictate the laws to the people outside the city but within the same region, just because they're technically the majority in that region?  It is at the heart of Gerrymandering, after all.  Right now, EU is considering dropping the requirement for unanimous decisions, which immediately means smaller countries like Finland will be completely controlled by the largest countries like Germany, France, Italy and Spain.  I don't like that either.

Thing is, I don't believe that sort of multiculturalism –– the idea that the laws and customs that one should acknowledge depends on who you are interacting with, instead of where you both are –– will ever work.  I do not know of a single example of where it has ever worked without devolving into heavy crime and violence (like the melting-pot cities of USA).

So, there are not too many options.  Either you enforce a specific set of laws and thus world-view and base culture, or you let people come up with their own. 

One is nicer if you travel a lot, the other is nicer if you prefer to stay put.  Neither is more right than the other.  I am pointing out that a layered compromise, where laws that affect more people are set in the widest context, and laws that only apply to a small locale are set at the smallest context, seems to be the path of most gain with least oppression to me.

The damning thing about the EU mandatory chat control is that it makes many aspects of discussing such things –– i.e., whenever it involves negative behaviour and "protected groups" –– illegal, and thus outside the public discussion.  Which I know for sure EU "politicians" really love.  I know for a fact that the majority of Finnish politicians would absolutely love laws that forbade their decisions and actions to be publicly discussed; and that our "journalists" wouldn't complain at all as long as their opinions and publishings were also protected from discussions and comments.

MadScientist:
For a eu law to exist it must be both passed by the council of ministers which is made of elected national government ministers and the eu parliament which is also directly elected,  certain vetos also exist , secondly two types  of eu laws exist , directives and regulations , directives can  implanted as Desired and even “ gold plated” a process particularly the uk Abused , regulations must be translated into national law verbatim

No eu law can violate the eu treaties

Enforcement is carried out by the member  state in the normal way

It’s an extremely democratic process , all decision makers are elected , the commission merely acts as a  civil servants

Eu law has been at the forefront of equality fairness and general anti national dogma

Infraviolet:
I'm not sure quite what the latest reply adds to this thread, detailing how the EU passes directives doesn;t really talk much about the underlying issues, that is to say the dire threat to free speech and privacy rights.

I think that since governments (nearly everywhere globaly, not just in the EU) overreacted (that is my opinion, please don't take it the wrong way) to covid with extraordinarily totalitarian panic-induced (politicians logic, "we must do something", "that is something","we must do that") measures they've felt emboldened to try to force anything they want on to populations (look at the Oxford "berlin wall for cars" zones plan). Thankfully a proportion of the population have, since the same events, felt both emboldened and proud to ignore intrusive government diktats. So what we're looking at is a future where governments make legislation nobody likes, and increasing numbers of people form a "counterculture" which simply ignores those diktats. As long as a few talented people perform basic software maintenance to keep a few open source truly secure and censorship free communication platforms up and running in violation of surveillance diktats, then the numbers of people dropping away from the controlled platforms will rise epxonetnailly over time. I'd like to see if Musk would be bold enough to make twitter in to such a defiant platform.

MT:

--- Quote from: MadScientist on December 29, 2022, 09:01:40 pm ---No eu law can violate the eu treaties
Enforcement is carried out by the member  state in the normal way
It’s an extremely democratic process , all decision makers are elected , the commission merely acts as a  civil servants
Eu law has been at the forefront of equality fairness and general anti national dogma

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:bullshit:
What you say here is complete and utter myths. EU is not democratic but all about elite supremacy.Every single country in EU are dodging EU laws as much as they can,
evidently so by their own justice system reports on the actual dodging and complaints from EU supremacy headquarters. The later form of "EU supremacy" origins from
the German Nazi party who built it on various "supremacy ideas" originating from the 1800 national industrialization movement era , "eugenics" for example , EU today
is completely taken over by WEF/WHO Schwab nazis. eg mandatory vaccination, vaccination passports straight out of the nazi manual with no regard for e.g  Hippocratic Oath
and Nuremberg Code who dictates the "demand of voluntary consent of participants in medical experiments" because of what the nazi and Bholsevikis did in WW2. So there you go!
So called democratic EU during 2020-22 push for mandatory vaccination with experimental chemical compounds where the content held secret is a direct violation of mentioned
Hippocratic Oath and Nuremberg Code no matter any fucking EU laws. Here, educate your self abut the Schwab nazi, his great reset book. https://archive.org/details/schwab-the-great-reset

jonpaul:
"You have no privacy anyway, Get over it!"
Scott McNely ceo Sun Microsystems 1999

Jin

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