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PlainName:

--- Quote from: Infraviolet ---look at the smallpox vacine uptake improving after the mandates were scrapped
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Are you sure you're thinking of the right disease?


--- Quote from: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Smallpox?useskin=vector ---Given these risks, as smallpox became effectively eradicated and the number of naturally occurring cases fell below the number of vaccine-induced illnesses and deaths, routine childhood vaccination was discontinued in the United States in 1972 and was abandoned in most European countries in the early 1970s
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So you're saying that once the disease was done for and routine inoculation was scrapped because of that, vaccination by choice really took off?

Zero999:

--- Quote from: Infraviolet on February 02, 2023, 10:07:25 pm ---Monkeh, oops, yes, I did type that line too fast. There have been periods in history where governments have mandated vaccines, not so much in the recent history (pre-2021) of developed nations, but plenty around the turn of the 19th in to 20th century. That said, at all those times a "vaccine mandate" meant "take it or we'll hit you with a one-off fine" not "take it and then be trapped in a digital ID card prison of surveillance, or don't take it and be thrown out from society as a whole". So while mandating a vaccine itself isn't so unprecedented, the level of coercion involved in 2020/21/22 and the evils of making the state a middleman in every human interaction via QR codes at doors is still very much a novelty. What was learnt as good public health practice from all those historic periods though, was that vaccine uptake and general health of populations improves if mandates are avoided, look at the smallpox vacine uptake improving after the mandates were scrapped. Perhaps I should have said that evidence based practice had by the 21st century lead to the realisation that vaccine rollouts should be done calmly and without coercion and are more successful when the public doesn't get turned against them by coercive activities, rather than mistakenly saying that such sensible practice had always been the historic reality.

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They were certainly the first vaccine mandates in the history of the EU.

It's terrible the way those who decided not to get vaccinated were treated. It was never tested to prove it stopped transmission and whist it did to some degree, it soon became apparent it wasn't anywhere near effective enough to mandate it. Most people who turned down the COVID vaccines are not anti-vaxers. I know plenty of people who had other vaccines, yet decided against having this one. It's perfectly fine to be concerned about new vaccines based on an experimental technology. Plenty of doctors are question the risk vs benefit analysis, especially in the young and healthy.

MadScientist:
There was not and cannot be a eu wide mandatory vaccine policy. It’s a national decision that’s all. Some countries brought in rules for certain categories of people.

Again the mistaken notion being peddled by some here of eu wide mandatory vaccine policy is completely false the EU does not have a legal basis for such action.

Most eu counties did not enforce widespread vaccine mandates at all in fact.

Galenbo:

--- Quote from: MadScientist on February 04, 2023, 03:45:43 pm ---Most eu counties did not enforce widespread vaccine mandates at all in fact.

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No they only enforced measures that caused the unvaccinated to loose their job and/or income.
Yes that happened, yes they did that.

Zero999:

--- Quote from: MadScientist on February 04, 2023, 03:45:43 pm ---There was not and cannot be a eu wide mandatory vaccine policy. It’s a national decision that’s all. Some countries brought in rules for certain categories of people.

Again the mistaken notion being peddled by some here of eu wide mandatory vaccine policy is completely false the EU does not have a legal basis for such action.

Most eu counties did not enforce widespread vaccine mandates at all in fact.

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No one said the EU mandated it. Many people are critical of the EU for going along with it and failing to take action against member states who committed human rights abuses, even if they thought they were doing go. The road to hell is paved with good intentions.

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