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EU mandantory chat control
Nominal Animal:
Here in Finland, the penalty for publishing a video of 'youths' beating up other passengers in a bus is greater than beating up other passengers in a bus. Ethnicity is a big factor in determining the penalties, though.
The purpose is to have laws that can be selectively applied. The need for that is based on the picture of an utopian society the current 'elite' has, where there is no middle class: just Owners, and Consumers, with basically no way of a lowly Consumer to become an Owner. The mandatory chat control is just one piece of that puzzle.
Feel free to laugh at me, and call me a conspiracy theorist. There is no conspiracy, though; it's a natural consequence of how human societies have tended to evolve when the society size exceeds 2000-5000 humans. It has happened in history for the last five thousand years at least, ever since the first known cities like Harappa and Mohenjo Daro, and does not involve any kind of "evil" or "conspiracy" or even malicious intent. It's just how human societies evolve, when certain negative aspects are not kept well enough in check. When resource limits come up, things get downright Easter Islander or Aztec. Only an idiot refuses to look at history, and draw parallels to modern era, when estimating the direction of current societies.
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SiliconWizard:
Couldn't agree more. And please let's just all stop talking about conspiracy theorists shit.
We're currently rushing towards an orwellian society, and as you just said, it's an unfortunately perfectly natural consequence.
It's a "simple" way of managing scarcity. Not a particularly nice one, but it has proven to work well enough repeatedly in the past to be reiterated.
Nominal Animal:
--- Quote from: SiliconWizard on February 05, 2023, 09:24:25 pm ---And please let's just all stop talking about conspiracy theorists shit.
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You're right. It's just a very sore label for me.
To simplify a bit, the changes I see here in Finland have an obvious pattern of consequences, and I think I understand why it is happening. (I could be wrong, of course, but note that I believe everyone involved truly believes they are doing Good. Which also explains why the reaction to any criticism is so hostile: if the criticism is right, then it means people who are working hard for Good, are actually doing Harm, which is obviously unacceptable; therefore the criticism must be incorrect, and thus has to be quashed immediately.)
At the core, the issue is the rise of the middle class in the last hundred years or so.
Classists (communists and socialists and those who want a world with an untouchable elite) are threatened by the middle class, because it is the mechanism how "workers" become "elite", disproving the entire idea behind socialism, showing that it is individual effort, and not class struggle, that determines the fate of the individual. This is the exact core of the entire situation. The "elite", in turn, wants to remove the "middle class", because it is also the mechanism how "elite" can easily fall down to "worker" status; and there is nothing they fear more than that.
So-called leftists want to abolish the middle class, because they recognize that the existence of the middle class threatens their ideology: the idea of a person moving from the working class to middle class based on their own effort, is absolutely incompatible with the socialist-classist worldview. They also don't want to fight a class war on two fronts -- against both the "elite" and the "middle class" ––, so abolishing the middle class is the natural approach.
(They also believe that without the middle class, it'll be easier to overthrow the "elite" and become the new "elite" themselves.)
The elite wants to solidify its position. They fear nothing as much as loss of their "elite" status. Abolishing the middle class is like digging a deep trench between yourself and the thing you fear most; and it also makes the distinction between the "elite" and "working class" much more prominent.
In this light, it is no surprise that the elite and the classist socialists have joined forces against the middle class, common sense, and the core values of Western societies in general. It is quite logical. Most of them truly believe they are doing it for the greater good, too; the "elite" because they truly believe they are better than others –– this being a perfectly natural human reaction; even if the position is based on pure chance, even in games, people who get on top or win, generally believe they did so because they did/played better than the others ––, and the socialists because they believe that societies will do better without a middle class.
Controlling speech is an obvious, crucial step here. Even the way how individual voters in EU have no control over the EU commission, fits perfectly into this picture.
Thing is, historically, it looks like it is exactly the middle class that actually pushes progress and prosperity forwards. The way people can shift between "classes" based on their individual actions seems to be a crucial mechanism for continued prosperity. I would claim it is the reason why education seems to be the most effective way of lifting people out from poverty (ie. that the middle class is proof that personal efforts can make a difference for many people), but I don't have real proof of that. Well, except for how these things have always correlated, both in recent and in ancient history.
MadScientist:
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Controlling speech is an obvious, crucial step here. Even the way how individual voters in EU have no control over the EU commission, fits perfectly into this picture.
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I’m not aware of any democratic country that elects its civil service and that’s all the commission is.
Fundementally people need to understand thd EU institutions before taking pot shots at it.
Nominal Animal:
--- Quote from: MadScientist on February 06, 2023, 11:03:05 am ---Fundamentally people need to understand the EU institutions before taking pot shots at it.
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Of course. But, you do not "understand" by accepting their self-descriptions at face value, you observe their actual behaviour and interactions with others.
That is all I described above: my own observations, and the pattern or underlying reason that explains the behaviour, without any kind of conspiracies, or even any pre-defined "design"; it is just how things are evolving right now here, organically, with basically all political participants fully believing they are doing good work. Even WEF fits in perfectly to that pattern, and does not require any kind of ill intent or nefarious designs.
Thus, I find the characterization "taking a pot shot at EU" invalid, here. The pattern I'm describing is not a "pot shot", and it is not limited to EU, but can be observed in urban areas in USA and Canada as well.
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