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SiliconWizard:

--- Quote from: MadScientist on February 06, 2023, 11:03:05 am ---Fundementally people need to understand thd EU institutions before taking pot shots at it.

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Do you?
magic:
Just a heads up: this is turning into a religious debate :P

When I was even more young and stupid than I am today, I spent many hours arguing with all that progressive-liberal-democratic-scientific woo-woo and all I got for my effort was realization of the absolute futility of it.
Ever since, I feel more productive isolating myself from material manifestations of the :bullshit: that could directly hurt me and watching true believers suffer pain trying to make it all work out.
Nominal Animal:

--- Quote from: magic on February 07, 2023, 07:29:03 am ---Just a heads up: this is turning into a religious debate :P
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Yeah.. that's why I normally avoid mentioning social neoteny, nihilism, relativism, and how it all relates to the death of God as used by Nietzsche, as a likely background for all this.  That almost always leads to someone yelling, even among people otherwise capable of logical and rational thought –– and all it is, is a pattern that fits, with no evil or nefarious people involved; just good intentions almost certainly leading to bad outcomes.


--- Quote from: magic on February 07, 2023, 07:29:03 am ---When I was even more young and stupid than I am today, I spent many hours arguing with all that progressive-liberal-democratic-scientific woo-woo and all I got for my effort was realization of the absolute futility of it.
Ever since, I feel more productive isolating myself from material manifestations of the :bullshit: that could directly hurt me and watching true believers suffer pain trying to make it all work out.
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The downside is, all it takes for horrible errors to prevail is for sensible people to stay silent.

In a way, it is all really funny: it is the young people who have the energy and will to try and change things, but they lack the wisdom and experience to make truly good choices.  The few old people who have the wisdom, lack the energy and the will.  The people in between are just too busy living their lives to give a shift.  :-//
SiliconWizard:
Yeah, age-old conundrum. Sums up human condition, really.


MadScientist:
I described people’s reactions as a pot shot largely because no credible situation exists where the proposal would become EU law. It’s simply not possible given the freedoms enshrined in the makeup of the EU and the role of the member states. The EU has no “ federal powers “
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