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magic:
I don't care how this bureaucracy works, but I know that I have to buy leaded solder from black market and disable JS to get rid of cookie banners as if disabling cookies weren't enough. And I know I wouldn't have those problems if not for Brussels.

If they could force cookies, they can force AI scanning your every uploaded image for CP. Of course, it's to guarantee your freedom from sexual abuse, which is your fundamental right enshrined in the makeup of the EU.
MadScientist:

--- Quote from: magic on February 07, 2023, 09:56:55 pm ---I don't care how this bureaucracy works, but I know that I have to buy leaded solder from black market and disable JS to get rid of cookie banners as if disabling cookies weren't enough. And I know I wouldn't have those problems if not for Brussels.

If they could force cookies, they can force AI scanning your every uploaded image for CP. Of course, it's to guarantee your freedom from sexual abuse, which is your fundamental right enshrined in the makeup of the EU.

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This is just abject scaremongering   , and conflating different things. The danger of lead poisoning is long understood and has been proven. Hence stop mixing up entirely different issues

It’s right and proper amateurs are restricted buying lead based products that’s entirely different to the a “ ban” that isn’t law nor likely to be so being hyped by vested anti EU types proclaiming the Eu is bringing in restrictions it clearly has no power to actually do.
GridWork:

--- Quote from: Nominal Animal on February 05, 2023, 10:54:00 pm ---
--- Quote from: SiliconWizard on February 05, 2023, 09:24:25 pm ---And please let's just all stop talking about conspiracy theorists shit.
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You're right.  It's just a very sore label for me.

To simplify a bit, the changes I see here in Finland have an obvious pattern of consequences, and I think I understand why it is happening.  (I could be wrong, of course, but note that I believe everyone involved truly believes they are doing Good.  Which also explains why the reaction to any criticism is so hostile: if the criticism is right, then it means people who are working hard for Good, are actually doing Harm, which is obviously unacceptable; therefore the criticism must be incorrect, and thus has to be quashed immediately.)

At the core, the issue is the rise of the middle class in the last hundred years or so.

Classists (communists and socialists and those who want a world with an untouchable elite) are threatened by the middle class, because it is the mechanism how "workers" become "elite", disproving the entire idea behind socialism, showing that it is individual effort, and not class struggle, that determines the fate of the individual.  This is the exact core of the entire situation.  The "elite", in turn, wants to remove the "middle class", because it is also the mechanism how "elite" can easily fall down to "worker" status; and there is nothing they fear more than that.

So-called leftists want to abolish the middle class, because they recognize that the existence of the middle class threatens their ideology: the idea of a person moving from the working class to middle class based on their own effort, is absolutely incompatible with the socialist-classist worldview.  They also don't want to fight a class war on two fronts -- against both the "elite" and the "middle class" ––, so abolishing the middle class is the natural approach.
(They also believe that without the middle class, it'll be easier to overthrow the "elite" and become the new "elite" themselves.)

The elite wants to solidify its position.  They fear nothing as much as loss of their "elite" status.  Abolishing the middle class is like digging a deep trench between yourself and the thing you fear most; and it also makes the distinction between the "elite" and "working class" much more prominent.

In this light, it is no surprise that the elite and the classist socialists have joined forces against the middle class, common sense, and the core values of Western societies in general.  It is quite logical.  Most of them truly believe they are doing it for the greater good, too; the "elite" because they truly believe they are better than others –– this being a perfectly natural human reaction; even if the position is based on pure chance, even in games, people who get on top or win, generally believe they did so because they did/played better than the others ––, and the socialists because they believe that societies will do better without a middle class.

Controlling speech is an obvious, crucial step here.  Even the way how individual voters in EU have no control over the EU commission, fits perfectly into this picture.

Thing is, historically, it looks like it is exactly the middle class that actually pushes progress and prosperity forwards.  The way people can shift between "classes" based on their individual actions seems to be a crucial mechanism for continued prosperity.  I would claim it is the reason why education seems to be the most effective way of lifting people out from poverty (ie. that the middle class is proof that personal efforts can make a difference for many people), but I don't have real proof of that.  Well, except for how these things have always correlated, both in recent and in ancient history.

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Well said! By chance do you have a newsletter. :)
Nominal Animal:

--- Quote from: GridWork on February 08, 2023, 04:38:53 pm ---Well said! By chance do you have a newsletter. :)

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(I can't read the subtext and tell whether you're mocking me or not!  Me fail English :P)

No, I have no newsletter, nor even any message, because I don't really know exactly what we should do to do better. :-\

Like everyone else, I have ideas of what kind of world would be better than what we have now, but that's just an opinion.  Everyone has opinions and wishes, right?  What matters is what we do, how we go about changing things for the better.

I personally do not know what kind of actions would actually yield better results.  I know that if I had the power to implement my wishes, I would be one of the worst dictators ever in history, even in the off chance that future generations lauded me for the eventual results.  You see, the intent and the goal does not justify the means in politics and governance: it is the path – everyday living – that matters more than the intentions or goals.  Maybe one in fifty dictators has been actually somewhat benevolent, historically speaking, and they usually did just small things and had no Grand Plans for their people to perform, other than live and prosper.  I would not wager much on myself being in that 2%.

If anything, I advocate small local changes, observing the effects, and learning from the results.  Right now in most Western countries we're progressing emotions and ideologies first, based on beliefs (and at best, carefully filtered scientific advise), instead of logic and rational thought; with young activists advocating huge radical changes without much proof that those changes are likely to yield positive rather than negative results.
But I cannot change how people express themselves, and I cannot force people to think or learn from history.

So, no newsletter, no message, no sermons here.  Just observations and tiny tentative suggestions for individuals, as that is the best I can do, I think.
pcprogrammer:
Even if you would succeed in making some huge change for the, what we think is, better, in the long run it gets destroyed by human nature again.

There will always be people that don't agree with the way things are or feel left behind or think they are entitled to more then they get, and start wrecking what otherwise could be a perfect system.

I too have ideas about this but would probably be an even worse dictator for some  >:D

A thought experiment:
Would it be possible to set up a society where profit is not on the table, and things like inflation, deflation and economic growth are not a thing. A system where money is not a product but just a means. But still with some difference in status of and reward for the work you do. And when you want more it is possible with working for it. Like better yourself through education. And yes for some this would proof to be impossible, and for these their should be some basic support structure.

Utopia, I know, but think about it, and how it would collapse due to human nature.

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