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Zero999:

--- Quote from: dunkemhigh on May 15, 2022, 04:26:54 pm ---
--- Quote ---despite my explaining that legally no one can tap your line without a court order or unless there is some other really, really good reason
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That should read that they shouldn't. But there is nothing to actually stop them doing so, and there are well-documented instances of both the security services and commercial entities doing exactly that. The (still!) ongoing phone hacking case that sunk the NotW is possibly the best known, and Snowdon let drop a lot of otherwise hidden stuff. I believe there have even been instances where it's wound up in court and the governmental service has been told what they did was illegal, but of course you can't throw a service in the nick so not a lot happens.


--- Quote --- he's not at all relevant to anyone in the grand scheme of things
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And that's the problem. If your comms happen to trigger the AI or ML or whatever that's perusing it all, you're stuffed if you think you can just rationally explain you are a normal non-terrorist non-paedophile citizen going about your innocuous business. Computer says yes, so must be true. Nothing personal, like.

Edit: that reminds me that (literally) every other lamppost around here has sprouted a PTZ camera. No-one has ever asked us if we want them or explained what they are for or mentioned that they even exist.

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Yes, AI is notoriously bad at this sort of thing. Try posting anything questioning current affairs in the YouTube comment section and watch it disappear, even if it's not that controversial.

I feel more comfortable with a government agent being allowed to snoop on my emails, rather than a machine. At least I know the government don't have the resources to spy on everyone. I still don't like the idea because the hate speech laws are so loosely defined, I think many people I know, including me, have been guilty of wrong think at some stage.
MadScientist:

--- Quote from: Zero999 on May 15, 2022, 01:48:15 pm ---
--- Quote from: madires on May 13, 2022, 01:38:50 pm ---No worries! The Court of Justice of the European Union will declare that nonsense null and void sooner or later. We had similar cases already several times. The sad thing is that the EU Commission is repeatedly ignoring court decisions.

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Don't be so sure of it. They didn't do anything when governments imposed forced medical treatments on their citizens and banned peaceful protest.

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Given public health policy is not harmonised under EU treaty the EU centrally has in effect no domain on these matters
MadScientist:

--- Quote from: MK14 on May 15, 2022, 06:47:33 pm ---
--- Quote from: bd139 on May 15, 2022, 06:39:19 pm ---Keep it under about 50 and it’s ok. That control would solve all the problems.

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Would that work ?
Analogy:
My group of 50 people, are still furious about your previous very rude comments about the Raspberry PI 4, and the fact it eats SD cards (data), during power up/down.  In retribution, you need to give us those Lenovo tiny PC's, you got to replace them, then you can have peace.

Yes, the EU in some respects, does seem to have become too big and somewhat unmanageable.  The Covid outbreak, and the mess ups surrounding their vaccination programme, seemed to show that.

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You do understand that a resolution passed in the eu parliament has virtually zero standing or chance of being passed into law.
Zero999:

--- Quote from: MadScientist on May 15, 2022, 08:41:35 pm ---
--- Quote from: Zero999 on May 15, 2022, 01:48:15 pm ---
--- Quote from: madires on May 13, 2022, 01:38:50 pm ---No worries! The Court of Justice of the European Union will declare that nonsense null and void sooner or later. We had similar cases already several times. The sad thing is that the EU Commission is repeatedly ignoring court decisions.

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Don't be so sure of it. They didn't do anything when governments imposed forced medical treatments on their citizens and banned peaceful protest.

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Given public health policy is not harmonised under EU treaty the EU centrally has in effect no domain on these matters

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That's true. It appears there's no protection against the state making its citizens take a drug, vaccine, or medical procedure. :palm:
https://www.echr.coe.int/documents/convention_eng.pdf

Anyway, back on topic: I can see this resulting in governments violating the right to freedom of expression.
MK14:

--- Quote from: MadScientist on May 15, 2022, 08:45:21 pm ---You do understand that a resolution passed in the eu parliament has virtually zero standing or chance of being passed into law.

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The thing is, this whole EU parliament thing.  Started out with good intentions, with a simple agreement as regards cows/beef and butter, to make a common market, between a small number of countries.  Which, eventually because of (political) feature creep, became the EU parliament and stuff, we have today.

I don't know the precise details.  But they seem to discuss and vote in, certain things.  Which seem to be put into actual laws, of the individual EU member states.

I think this mandatory chat control, is a very, very dangerous and slippery slope, in the control of free speech, and in effect news sources (indirectly).  If you look at Russia, an apparently very significant way their government is able to keep control of its people.  Is by basically lying all the time, in various TV media/newspapers/etc.
Even to the point of starting a full on war, while at the same time claiming Russia is being attacked, and there is no war (special operations).

So the EU, really is playing with fire, big time.  With the proposal/creation of new laws like this.  There is also the danger of a Trump like leader, getting into power.  Then using those new laws and infrastructure (information), to control the people.

Arguably, we need chat and things to be relatively free from political interference.  Because of nonsense, such as the Cambridge analytica scandal.

TL;DR
I think this new EU plans, are potentially very dangerous and a very, very bad idea.
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