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| MK14:
--- Quote from: MadScientist on May 16, 2022, 10:35:23 am ---It’s only in the U.K. where this nonsense argument about a common trading area is brought up. European integration was always the intention and so the institutions. In Ireland political integration enjoys 70% support or higher as expressed regularly on the EU treaty referendums As you say you don’t understand how eu law making works so don’t speculate. Given the government you currently have in the U.K. that is considering breaking an international treaty it wrote and signed up too , I think I’d prefer to be governed by the sane in Brussels. The U.K. is the most highly monitored society in Western Europe. I fix at home first --- End quote --- I can't/won't respond to that, as it would stray too far from the topic of discussion, and could be called 'pure political talk'. But you (maybe?) and others made a valid point, a society of just 50 people, isolated and on their own, could have a number of deficiencies, compared to modern society expectations. But in modern times (compared to other modern countries), Switzerland has some kind of non-centralized (as such) government system. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Politics_of_Switzerland My (hopefully on topic) feelings on the EU mandatory chat control, are that it might potentially cause an unacceptable loss of privacy. It could easily be a slippery slope, to an overly authoritative state/EU control of things. A bit like the Great FireWall (Wall) of China. I.e. It could seriously mess up the political landscape. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Great_Firewall EDIT: Simple typo |
| tom66:
Yes, the EU encrypted chat policy is utter crap. However this kind of thing gets brought up repeatedly and ultimately fails because open standards like 'Signal' exist where it is impossible to decrypt the messages because the keys are not shared with the server. All the server knows is when and where certain accounts are communicating. This is just typical politicians acting like they can solve a complex societal issue (child abuse) with a simple hammer (ban encryption) rather than the more difficult one: better supervision of children (parents, carers), less use of social media by youngsters (well understood to be harmful), and better treatments and detection of potential offenders before they commit acts against real children. A controversial opinion perhaps but I do not believe such individuals deserves to be jailed until they have intended to, or actually committed an act against a child, up until that point, they can be treated by medical professionals and carefully monitored. As long as open source encryption technology exists then end to end encryption will not disappear. Making it illegal will be effectively impossible. You can make cracking Blu-Rays illegal, but people will still do it, because it is virtually impossible to detect. |
| tszaboo:
--- Quote from: tom66 on May 16, 2022, 10:42:13 am --- --- Quote from: tszaboo on May 16, 2022, 09:31:29 am ---I love how this thread has the most comments by a bunch of English and American people. "I don't know how things are done there, but you are doing it wrong!" --- End quote --- Meh, I never supported Brexit and I hope one day that we'll go back, but I'm not a fool and can see that's probably not going to happen within my lifetime. Greatest mistake this country has made in a very long time and we'll be paying the price forever. The NI border issue really just is the tip of the iceberg when it comes to this kind of crap - it just is impossible to see a situation there that won't devolve into "the Troubles, pt. II" if the UK and Ireland continue to diverge on trade regulations. --- End quote --- I'm a strong believer that a person is not responsible for their politicians, and the elected idiots or their country. I'm from a country that went back to be a totally mad autocracy and kleptocracy. I stood up from there and left, I've been gone for a decade now. Took down the flag, moved out of the borders and all I am doing is go for elections (which is a farce) every few years, maybe it will be different this time. --- Quote from: bd139 on May 16, 2022, 11:40:23 am --- --- Quote from: MadScientist on May 16, 2022, 10:30:22 am ---One of that group hasn’t any say, the other we kicked out. --- End quote --- Hey we kicked ourselves out. (and no I didn't vote for it) --- End quote --- There was a time when UK was doing everything in their power to back out of Brexit, and the EU was telling you guys to eat what you cooked. And now please go back on topic, not every single discussion online has to be turned into US and UK politics. |
| PlainName:
--- Quote ---This is just typical politicians acting like they can solve a complex societal issue (child abuse) --- End quote --- Child abuse is just the excuse for rolling stuff out. Before that it was terrorists, but then they found kiddy fiddling had a better impact. --- Quote ---As long as open source encryption technology exists then end to end encryption will not disappear. Making it illegal will be effectively impossible. --- End quote --- Just like not disclosing your phone password on demand is a great workaround? Fine if you don't mind being put away 'because obviously what you have hidden must be really incriminating'. Don't forget that they don't have to nick every single transgression, just enough to make the point and put reasonable fear into the population. |
| Monkeh:
--- Quote from: tszaboo on May 16, 2022, 12:46:56 pm ---There was a time when UK was doing everything in their power to back out of Brexit, and the EU was telling you guys to eat what you cooked. --- End quote --- I see you get just as warped a view as everyone else from the media.. |
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