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ebastler:

--- Quote from: Jeroen3 on June 19, 2023, 09:41:31 am ---
--- Quote from: page 177 ---The obligations laid down in paragraph 1 shall not apply where continuity of power
supply is necessary and a permanent connection between the product and the
respective portable battery is required to ensure the safety of the user and the
appliance or, for products that collect and supply data as their main function, for
data integrity reasons.
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So, that applies to phones right, right?  :P

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No, that exemption does not apply to mobile phones. It does not exempt all "products that collect and supply data as their main function", but only those where continuous operation is required for data integrity reasons. Gotta brush up your Legalese...  ;)
tom66:

--- Quote from: AndyC_772 on June 19, 2023, 09:40:21 am ---I'm sure you can use an adapter if you want, but in any case I don't think power tools are really a problem. If the battery I happen to be using on my DeWalt drill fails, I can just buy a new one and swap it in seconds. The battery isn't such an integral part of the drill that I have to throw away an otherwise serviceable drill, nor is it so expensive that it makes sense to buy a new drill kit including a battery anyway.

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The advantage of a universal battery system would, however, be that you could buy a good OEM third party battery.  Bosch might sell a cheaper battery for your Makita drill, and it'll still last a decent amount of time because Bosch have a reputation to keep.

It would also help if systems go obsolete.  A friend of mine is trying to buy old batteries for their Bosch battery lawnmower made in 2008, but Bosch doesn't support the slightly weird 22V system it used any more. 

Admittedly this kind of thing is a lot harder to standardise upon, you'd need a range of battery options for professionals and high power tools, and no doubt some tools would need entirely proprietary batteries due to special applications (I'm not going to put an 18V battery in my battery-powered hot glue gun, after all.)
nctnico:
Why would you want battery operated tools anyway? For construction workers that have no outlet available it may make sense but for around the house a corded tool is easier. A couple of years ago I bought a Makita electric screw driver with a cord. I find that way more convenient than dealing with batteries all the time. And it has more torque while being lighter to handle.
tom66:

--- Quote from: nctnico on June 19, 2023, 12:55:50 pm ---Why would you want battery operated tools anyway? For construction workers that have no outlet available it may make sense but for around the house a corded tool is easier. A couple of years ago I bought a Makita electric screw driver with a cord. I find that way more convenient than dealing with batteries all the time. And it has more torque while being lighter to handle.

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I don't understand.  Why *wouldn't* you want a battery operated tool, all else being equal?  My drill, impact driver and jigsaw are all battery powered.  I'm usually just doing short jobs, so it's enough to keep the second battery on the charger if I expect the first to run out.  And the impact driver has more than enough torque. That way I don't need to worry about where I'm plugging it in, tripping over the cord, or keeping the cord out of the way of anything.

Sure, I wouldn't want a battery powered SDS hammer-drill for going through brick or the like*, that kind of has to be mains powered for endurance, but a lot of power tools work fine on batteries for 'home DIY' levels of usage and given their proliferation in the professional market it seems like tradespeople agree too.

*That said I know an electrician who has one because he's not sure if the job-site will have power available when he needs to drill.    But I can imagine their endurance is not great given my one pulls 1200W at full speed.  I guess buy a few spare batteries if you expect to need that.
eugene:

--- Quote from: ebastler on June 19, 2023, 05:58:37 am ---
--- Quote from: Tomorokoshi on June 19, 2023, 04:23:01 am ---I replaced the batteries in old iPhones with $20 kits that included both the battery and the tool. It takes me an hour. They last just fine.

Regarding replaceability, for the iPhone anyway it's a few screws, the tape that is removed using by pulling on the special tab, and then it comes out. It actually isn't that hard do to.

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It is not hard to do for you and me, and many of the readers on this forum. But it is beyond imagination for 98% of the larger population of phone users. So there clearly is room (and need) for improvement.

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I don't see this as a problem. Almost nobody that I know (except me) would replace the battery in their car themselves, or even change the oil. How about watch batteries? Everyone takes them somewhere that will do the job while the wait.

I don't know actual numbers, but I'm willing to bet that more cracked screens on smart phones get replaced than batteries. Should the government mandate that touch screens be user replaceable too? I hope not; it'll drive up the price of phones.

Honestly, I don't know what the issue is anyway. I typically keep a phone for two or three years and have never had to replace a battery.
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