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| David Hess:
--- Quote from: Halcyon on June 19, 2023, 03:19:21 am ---I wonder what the tradeoff will be? Smaller capacity batteries? Lower quality so the manufacturer can sell more replacements? --- End quote --- If you listen to the manufacturers, the result will be dogs and cats living together, mass hysteria! --- Quote from: Ed.Kloonk on June 19, 2023, 02:07:23 am ---Except that the replacement batteries are shit and the brand batteries are just expensive re-branded shit. --- End quote --- That is my experience. I have three phones with removable batteries, a Samsung from 2020 and two Alcatels which are newer, and in no case does the manufacturer sell batteries so I have to rely on questionable third parties. Of course manufacturers use the excuse that people will buy questionable third-party batteries causing fires and whatnot, while not supplying the correct batteries themselves. --- Quote from: Tomorokoshi on June 19, 2023, 04:23:01 am ---I replaced the batteries in old iPhones with $20 kits that included both the battery and the tool. It takes me an hour. They last just fine. --- End quote --- My batteries can be replaced by using a fingernail inserted into the notch in the rear cover to remove it. --- Quote from: tom66 on June 19, 2023, 01:17:20 pm ---I don't understand. Why *wouldn't* you want a battery operated tool, all else being equal? My drill, impact driver and jigsaw are all battery powered. I'm usually just doing short jobs, so it's enough to keep the second battery on the charger if I expect the first to run out. And the impact driver has more than enough torque. That way I don't need to worry about where I'm plugging it in, tripping over the cord, or keeping the cord out of the way of anything. --- End quote --- My corded power tools are more powerful, run continuously, and do not require a costly battery and charger. I have many cordless power tools, but I only rely on them for light duty tasks. --- Quote from: ebastler on June 19, 2023, 02:28:24 pm --- --- Quote from: eugene on June 19, 2023, 02:09:46 pm ---Honestly, I don't know what the issue is anyway. I typically keep a phone for two or three years [...] --- End quote --- That's the issue right there. ;) Discarding a phone after only two or three years is wasteful. Why do you replace it after such a short time? I have not observed rapid technical progress over the past decade which would justify that. Weakening battery performance or lack of software upgrades seem the likely candidates -- and both are entirely due to the manufacturers' unwillingness to support their products through a decent lifecycle. --- End quote --- Unfortunately even if the battery is replaceable, there may be good reason to discard the phone. I have changed the battery in my *unlocked* Samsung Galaxy XCover Pro, however fucking AT&T blocks firmware updates to their unlocked phones. By law they must unlock their phones so that they may be used with other carriers, but nothing requires that they do not cripple them. So great, phones will be required to have user replaceable batteries, and the manufacturers and carriers will find some alternative way to enforce planned obsolescence. |
| tszaboo:
--- Quote from: John B on June 19, 2023, 02:03:58 am ---Much like with the Amazon situation, I have to wonder if trying to steer the major companies using legal means is really the way to go since they have made it 100% clear the direction they want their products to go in in terms of repairability, security and the concept that their customers actually own their products. However I don't know much in the way of alternatives. About the best I'm planning to upgrade to is a Google Pixel loaded with GrapheneOS, or something lower end with LineageOS. --- End quote --- Yes, it absolutely is. The consumers have absolutely no way of swaying large corporations in matters like this. Think of the USBC mandate solving all kinds of issues with chargers. I still have these multi-adapter cables with 11 different eds for Alcatel, Nokia Sony, micro, mini Iphone and other connectors. It was an absolute mess. I have a phone, it's like 3-4 years old and the only reason to replace it is the battery. Disassembly is super inconvenient with a heat gun, removing glue and so on. As near as 8 years ago we were still making phones that had replaceable battery. |
| nctnico:
--- Quote from: tom66 on June 19, 2023, 01:17:20 pm --- --- Quote from: nctnico on June 19, 2023, 12:55:50 pm ---Why would you want battery operated tools anyway? For construction workers that have no outlet available it may make sense but for around the house a corded tool is easier. A couple of years ago I bought a Makita electric screw driver with a cord. I find that way more convenient than dealing with batteries all the time. And it has more torque while being lighter to handle. --- End quote --- I don't understand. Why *wouldn't* you want a battery operated tool, all else being equal? My drill, impact driver and jigsaw are all battery powered. I'm usually just doing short jobs, so it's enough to keep the second battery on the charger if I expect the first to run out. --- End quote --- That is the problem right there: you use these machines too little to always have a full battery when you start the work. So you'd have to prepare the night before by putting the batteries on the chargers and hope the chargers can keep up with your job. Especially when batteries start to wear out (after 5 years or so due to under-use) you'll see that needing batteries is becoming a nuisance. Been there, done that. No more battery powered tools for me! A tool with a cord just works immediately when you need it. |
| tom66:
--- Quote from: nctnico on June 19, 2023, 05:44:59 pm ---That is the problem right there: you use these machines too little to always have a full battery when you start the work. So you'd have to prepare the night before by putting the batteries on the chargers and hope the chargers can keep up with your job. Especially when batteries start to wear out (after 5 years or so due to under-use) you'll see that needing batteries is becoming a nuisance. Been there, done that. No more battery powered tools for me! A tool with a cord just works immediately when you need it. --- End quote --- Not really. I use the tools probably once every few weeks, and the batteries keep plenty of charge. Maybe your experience with older Li-Ion batteries or NiCads has skewed your opinion, but a good modern Li-Ion stored at 80% charge should still have 20% charge left after about a year, when stored at room temperature. As for a replacement, well, that's just a fact of life with batteries, but I can get a genuine replacement for £30 - hardly the end of the world given the batteries power multiple tools. For what it's worth, the drill batteries are going on for five years old now, and I have no complaints with their longevity yet. I'd love a more universal system but for now they're fine. |
| asmi:
--- Quote from: nctnico on June 19, 2023, 05:44:59 pm ---That is the problem right there: you use these machines too little to always have a full battery when you start the work. So you'd have to prepare the night before by putting the batteries on the chargers and hope the chargers can keep up with your job. Especially when batteries start to wear out (after 5 years or so due to under-use) you'll see that needing batteries is becoming a nuisance. Been there, done that. --- End quote --- If you don't use them professionally (as I suspect is the case for most people here), that is unlikely to ever happen. --- Quote from: nctnico on June 19, 2023, 05:44:59 pm ---No more battery powered tools for me! A tool with a cord just works immediately when you need it. --- End quote --- As long as you don't accidentally cut the cord with that tool. Or stumble over that cord and cut something <important> from yourself or others. Or somebody else stumbles over it in the exactly wrong moment of time. |
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