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| sokoloff:
--- Quote from: james_s on June 21, 2023, 12:51:46 am ---That's due to Prop 65, which was a law created on good intentions but extremely poorly implemented. As the law is written, there is no threshold under which something is declared safe, so even the most minuscule quantity of some substance gets it flagged as being there. The list of substances is absolutely huge and covers a wide range of stuff, much of which is not really even known to be harmful. On top of that, you can be penalized for not applying the label to a product that contains some substance on the list but there is no penalty for applying the label to products that do not, so generally the safest approach is just slap the warning on absolutely everything just in case. A warning that is on everything tells you nothing, it is completely useless. --- End quote --- Related in poor outcomes from an incompletely thought-through policy is the new FDA policy in 2023 requiring extensive cleaning to avoid cross-contamination of allergens between products. Compliance is expensive and fraught with peril so companies elected instead to make the allergen an intentionally-added ingredient, thus allowing them to list it on the label and avoid the cleaning and risk of accidental cross-contamination. So now a policy ostensibly intended to protect consumers from an allergen is causing them to have a harder time avoiding that allergen and still feeding their family. |
| Monkeh:
--- Quote from: james_s on June 21, 2023, 12:57:52 am ---But stop signs are most often used where a lightly trafficked street intersects a much more heavily trafficked street, you don't want to make everyone on the busy street have to slow down and yield at every intersection --- End quote --- That doesn't need a stop sign, and the through road doesn't need to slow down to yield when they aren't the ones with the yield sign. --- Quote ---Usually there is not sufficient visibility, that's the issue. --- End quote --- In my admittedly relatively limited (and yet apparently somehow more comprehensive) personal experience on US roads, I've yet to see a single stop sign which made sense as a stop sign. Many of them I can tell if it's clear or not a good five or six seconds before arriving, to such a degree I could entirely avoid slowing down if it weren't for the unnecessary obsession with stop signs. By the way, when you ask questions like "how could you drive safely without those", you might want to look at the relative safety of, uhm.. every other developed western nation. Yes, your roads are a real bug bear of mine. |
| james_s:
--- Quote from: Monkeh on June 21, 2023, 02:25:21 am --- --- Quote from: james_s on June 21, 2023, 12:57:52 am ---But stop signs are most often used where a lightly trafficked street intersects a much more heavily trafficked street, you don't want to make everyone on the busy street have to slow down and yield at every intersection --- End quote --- That doesn't need a stop sign, and the through road doesn't need to slow down to yield when they aren't the ones with the yield sign. --- Quote ---Usually there is not sufficient visibility, that's the issue. --- End quote --- In my admittedly relatively limited (and yet apparently somehow more comprehensive) personal experience on US roads, I've yet to see a single stop sign which made sense as a stop sign. Many of them I can tell if it's clear or not a good five or six seconds before arriving, to such a degree I could entirely avoid slowing down if it weren't for the unnecessary obsession with stop signs. By the way, when you ask questions like "how could you drive safely without those", you might want to look at the relative safety of, uhm.. every other developed western nation. Yes, your roads are a real bug bear of mine. --- End quote --- No, the yield sign is on the lightly trafficked side street, drivers on the busy street have a right of way and can just blast through. I didn't know it was an obsession, everywhere I have ever driven in the US and Canada have stop signs, but if you think you can do better, maybe you should move here and show us all how it's done. |
| Monkeh:
--- Quote from: james_s on June 21, 2023, 09:15:39 pm ---No, the yield sign is on the lightly trafficked side street, drivers on the busy street have a right of way and can just blast through. --- End quote --- *sigh* --- Quote ---you don't want to make everyone on the busy street have to slow down and yield at every intersection --- End quote --- Make up your mind. --- Quote ---everywhere I have ever driven in the US and Canada have stop signs, but if you think you can do better, maybe you should move here and show us all how it's done. --- End quote --- Well there's a grand total of one stop sign I know of in my town. I have to think hard to think of examples of stop signs, because they're only needed in very specific places. |
| TimFox:
In Chicago, approximatey 3,000,000 population, a flat area with a very Cartesian street grid, stop signs are ubiquitous. The scale factor for the grid is 100 = 1 furlong (800 = 1 mile). In normal areas of the city, every 400 units is a "through street" that normally are controlled with traffic lights. The other "side streets" normally have a stop sign when they encounter a through street, and often when they encounter another side street. A good design change was eliminating "3-way stop" or "4-way stop" signs under the octagon, substituting "all way". The property density would not allow roundabouts at side-street to side-street junctions, and would be difficult at through-street to through-street junctions. I once did some work in Telford (Shropshire), which many British subjects told me had too many roundabouts for their taste. |
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