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ebastler:

--- Quote from: james_s on June 21, 2023, 09:15:39 pm ---I didn't know it was an obsession, everywhere I have ever driven in the US and Canada have stop signs, but if you think you can do better, maybe you should move here and show us all how it's done.

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Well, it does seem that Stop signs are often used in the US where a Yield sign would do in Europe. I believe the rules for traffic signage in the US also state that Stop should only be used when needed for safety, but the threshold for that seems lower in practice.

And then there are the "four-way stop" intersections, which we don't have at all in Europe. Over here, we would either rely on the default "priority to the right", without any traffic signs; or have a sign-posted priority road intersecting a road which has to yield (but typically not stop). Of course I am biased since that's what I am used to, but I do consider that the better approach: Minimize signage clutter by default, and define a clear priority where the default rule does not work well.
james_s:
Four way stop intersections are typically used where two heavily trafficked roads intersect, often in the vicinity of other intersections where only the less trafficked side street has stop signs and in the other direction cars can just blast through without slowing down. There's not really any perfect solution, but I don't see what we have as being particularly problematic, it's one of those things where it's always been done this way and if you try to change it now it's going to be a disaster because people have already learned that if there's no stop or yield sign they can just blow through without looking. We have started getting some roundabouts around here in the last decade or so and they do work pretty well but as was mentioned there are space constraints that make them impractical as a retrofit in many places. The signs are cheap and unobtrusive and they've been around for a century or so and everyone just expects them to be there. There are uncontrolled intersections that have no signs but that's typically low traffic low speed residential streets in the suburbs and you do occasionally have problems with people mistakenly believing they have the right of way and blowing through, causing an accident.

I don't have a particularly strong feeling over which system is "better" but it does annoy me when random twits in other places imply that we're all a bunch of idiots for not using the system they use. I guess it's just a subtle form of nationalism.
Monkeh:

--- Quote from: james_s on June 22, 2023, 08:44:41 pm --- if you try to change it now it's going to be a disaster because people have already learned that if there's no stop or yield sign they can just blow through without looking.

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There are uncontrolled intersections that have no signs but that's typically low traffic low speed residential streets in the suburbs and you do occasionally have problems with people mistakenly believing they have the right of way and blowing through, causing an accident.
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And nobody but you is talking about uncontrolled intersections. And you can't just blow through anything without looking.


--- Quote ---it does annoy me when random twits in other places imply that we're all a bunch of idiots for not using the system they use.
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Let me just quote you again:


--- Quote from: james_s on June 20, 2023, 07:00:27 pm ---Stop signs on intersections too, how could you drive safely without those?

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It does annoy me when random twits in other places imply we're all a bunch of idiots for not using the system they use.

Here's an example of a four way stop which need not be a stop of any type: https://www.google.co.uk/maps/@35.7299002,-78.3515073,3a,90y,190.73h,87.29t/data=!3m6!1e1!3m4!1sEeU7zX7bJ4pstVlYt-LEsw!2e0!7i16384!8i8192?entry=ttu
And nearby, here's a two way stop which need not be a stop of any type: https://www.google.co.uk/maps/@35.7236995,-78.3480657,3a,90y,233.28h,97.8t/data=!3m6!1e1!3m4!1seTxyY_cdm-8lnhTjpO7Nsw!2e0!7i13312!8i6656?entry=ttu

This is before dealing with the absolute madness which is stop signs every few hundred feet in grid layout cities and even modern suburbs. You simply can't keep a car moving no matter how little traffic there is on the roads.
coppice:

--- Quote from: james_s on June 21, 2023, 12:51:46 am ---That's due to Prop 65, which was a law created on good intentions but extremely poorly implemented. As the law is written, there is no threshold under which something is declared safe, so even the most minuscule quantity of some substance gets it flagged as being there.

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Most regulations related to food content define specific allowable amounts of a huge range of weird things. People are grossed out by these regulations. "You're allowed to have fly wings in food products!". Well, its not encouraged, but zero is not something one can test weekly in a lab for compliance.
TimFox:

--- Quote from: coppice on June 22, 2023, 09:31:09 pm ---
--- Quote from: james_s on June 21, 2023, 12:51:46 am ---That's due to Prop 65, which was a law created on good intentions but extremely poorly implemented. As the law is written, there is no threshold under which something is declared safe, so even the most minuscule quantity of some substance gets it flagged as being there.

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Most regulations related to food content define specific allowable amounts of a huge range of weird things. People are grossed out by these regulations. "You're allowed to have fly wings in food products!". Well, its not encouraged, but zero is not something one can test weekly in a lab for compliance.

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I once had to correct a co-worker who wanted to put a spec of "0" on an electronic parameter.
I said that was not a valid spec (like +/- 0.1% or +/- 0.1 mV), but a "pious wish".
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