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EV-based road transportation is not viable
tom66:
--- Quote from: tggzzz on February 17, 2023, 10:22:33 pm ---Elections are rarely single-issue local events.
Most people vote tribally based on whether they like the government do jour.
That could be avoided if referendums are commonplace, but the chances of that happening here are zero after the Brexit fiasco.
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We must have different perspectives. Local elections are very much the opposite of governmental elections. Councillors are not elected so often on their party rosette but what they promise to their constituents and if it's a small area, how favourable they are there. That's why you always have to tread carefully trying to read general election sentiment on the odd council by-election.
Local government by-n-large is a shitshow in this country but that's more because they have too much authority over the things they shouldn't have anything to do with and the people involved often seem to be bloody awful (see, "Handforth"). So, whether the council will be able to change policy is more debatable, but at least they shouldn't be able to step in the way of government doing something about charging infrastructure, should a national policy be announced. (Though I hope to god it's nothing like those awful "GB Design" charging points they announced last year. Euck.)
tggzzz:
--- Quote from: tom66 on February 17, 2023, 10:38:29 pm ---
--- Quote from: tggzzz on February 17, 2023, 10:22:33 pm ---Elections are rarely single-issue local events.
Most people vote tribally based on whether they like the government do jour.
That could be avoided if referendums are commonplace, but the chances of that happening here are zero after the Brexit fiasco.
--- End quote ---
We must have different perspectives. Local elections are very much the opposite of governmental elections. Councillors are not elected so often on their party rosette but what they promise to their constituents and if it's a small area, how favourable they are there. That's why you always have to tread carefully trying to read general election sentiment on the odd council by-election.
Local government by-n-large is a shitshow in this country but that's more because they have too much authority over the things they shouldn't have anything to do with and the people involved often seem to be bloody awful (see, "Handforth"). So, whether the council will be able to change policy is more debatable, but at least they shouldn't be able to step in the way of government doing something about charging infrastructure, should a national policy be announced. (Though I hope to god it's nothing like those awful "GB Design" charging points they announced last year. Euck.)
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Most voters don't read, and do vote based on the rosette. Frequently, as with Brexit, there is a significant degree of voting against whichever set of rosettes is in Westminster.
Designs, in whatever sphere, often end up not as the best but as what no participant deems unacceptable. So expect more suboptimal designs and very expensive of the not-so-smart smart electricity meter fiasco.
Amateurs, dreamers, and prosyletisers think about how things work. Engineers and professionals that have to get and keep things working think about how things fail.
Good intentions and wishful thinking are insufficient.
Wallace Gasiewicz:
Now they go VROOOOOOM!!!!!
https://www.foxnews.com/auto/hear-electric-dodge-charger-daytonas-exhaust-muscular-sound
mikeselectricstuff:
--- Quote from: Marco on February 17, 2023, 09:39:58 pm ---Even if you could build 5-10 MW chargers to get electricity into car batteries nearly as fast as petrol into a tank, those are going to require batteries all of their own just to handle the huge surge power. Every former petrol station would have to become a grid storage site, just to offset some of the cost.
The charging plugs will probably need a water connection too.
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High power DC chargers already have liquid cooling of the cable and plug
nctnico:
--- Quote from: Marco on February 17, 2023, 09:39:58 pm ---Even if you could build 5-10 MW chargers to get electricity into car batteries nearly as fast as petrol into a tank, those are going to require batteries all of their own just to handle the huge surge power. Every former petrol station would have to become a grid storage site, just to offset some of the cost.
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Which is where hydrogen comes in... It doesn't have all these problems. Large scale or small scale charging, in the end the energy needs to be stored in bulk somewhere.
--- Quote ---The charging plugs will probably need a water connection too.
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That exists already.
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