And you can easily have tax calculated from your traveled distance, because they have this data.The problem is that this data does not tell where you have travelled and thus it can not be used to base road taxes on. Cars on hydrogen would solve this tax problem nicely because the tax can be calculated at the filling station.
It's a pretty fringe reason to use one fuel/energy type over another.
Of course the other argument is we could just collect the tax another way, like an annual levy on owning a car or just income tax (which might be the fairest way as those earning the most probably can most afford higher tax for private car use.)
The problem is that the NL government wants to replace taxes from fuel towards taxes on road use. Part of that is given by the use of BEVs which is hard to tax when people charge at home or from other non-taxes sources. So, it is not a fringe reason. It likely is going to end up with BEV owners paying more tax for owning the car though. In the NL there are already different tax tariffs depending on the kind of fuel a car is using.
In the NL 60% (or even more) of the fuel price is taxes.
This would almost certainly contravene GDPR, and won't happen. The simplest way is to tax electricity at the point of use, and to charge more, the more is used, rather than discounting it for heavier users.
And solar users pay no tax? No, road charging is the only way to make it fair, on the basis of replacing fuel tax.
As I opined I think road pricing is seen as the way forward. More progressive , targeted and capable of changing habits
As I opined I think road pricing is seen as the way forward. More progressive , targeted and capable of changing habitsTaxing is not going to work at all to change habits. Anyone thinking that is a complete fool. It has been tried to death in the NL and it didn't reduce the number of cars (quite the opposite) and only drove up inflation. People have to get from A to B to earn money.
As I opined I think road pricing is seen as the way forward. More progressive , targeted and capable of changing habitsTaxing is not going to work at all to change habits. Anyone thinking that is a complete fool. It has been tried to death in the NL and it didn't reduce the number of cars (quite the opposite) and only drove up inflation. People have to get from A to B to earn money. There should be less taxes on cars because cars enable people to make more money (spending less time travelling or not doing any work at all) and thus generate more revenue from income taxes and economic growth as a whole.
The private car is past its zenith , the future will not be based around it.
As I opined I think road pricing is seen as the way forward. More progressive , targeted and capable of changing habitsTaxing is not going to work at all to change habits. Anyone thinking that is a complete fool. It has been tried to death in the NL and it didn't reduce the number of cars (quite the opposite) and only drove up inflation. People have to get from A to B to earn money.
But maybe not in one decade from now. People will just be ordered to stay at home, work and live their private life in a metaverse.
The private car is past its zenith , the future will not be based around it.Another fool's idea. The reality is that without a car you are just stuck at one place with the same people all around you. You could call living in a transportless ghetto 'urban cocooning'. But that is just a trend that will reverse quickly when young people (re) discover a car gives you a lot of freedom of movement. In the NL it is expected that the number of cars will keep increasing during the next decade.
I see a lot of volume, of discussion; Good there, but that does indicate much lack, of agreement, on action(s) going forward.
Listen to what some leaders have stated;
Pres. Obama:.
"...We at least know, that with wholesale switch, to fully electric transportation systems, that electricity prices will, necessarily skyrocket."
Err, sorry, I meant to say, in the switch-over to green energy source, prices will skyrocket...but similar dynamic.
The private car is past its zenith , the future will not be based around it.Another fool's idea. The reality is that without a car you are just stuck at one place with the same people all around you. You could call living in a transportless ghetto 'urban cocooning'. But that is just a trend that will reverse quickly when young people (re) discover a car gives you a lot of freedom of movement. In the NL it is expected that the number of cars will keep increasing during the next decade.
Interesting I have two adult kids in well paid jobs living on major European centres. Neither they nor they’re friends own cars. They rent as needed but have no desire to own one
I see a lot of volume, of discussion; Good there, but that does indicate much lack, of agreement, on action(s) going forward.
Listen to what some leaders have stated;
Pres. Obama:.
"...We at least know, that with wholesale switch, to fully electric transportation systems, that electricity prices will, necessarily skyrocket."In a previous discussion I already wrote that electricity is likely to become a scarse commodity so it is not a good idea at all to become fully dependant on electricity for all energy supply. Unfortunately, for too many electricity is something that comes out of a socket in the wall magically. Yesterday there was an article in the newspaper saying 2 out of 3 people in the NL are utterly clueless about their energy use and costs. They will be in for a nasty surprise especially since gas and electricity prices have tripled or even quadrupled.
The private car is past its zenith , the future will not be based around it.Another fool's idea. The reality is that without a car you are just stuck at one place with the same people all around you. You could call living in a transportless ghetto 'urban cocooning'. But that is just a trend that will reverse quickly when young people (re) discover a car gives you a lot of freedom of movement. In the NL it is expected that the number of cars will keep increasing during the next decade.
Interesting I have two adult kids in well paid jobs living on major European centres. Neither they nor they’re friends own cars. They rent as needed but have no desire to own oneThat is just anecdotal evidence. The youngsters my kids hang out with bought a car as soon as they had a driver's license and could afford a car.
I see a lot of volume, of discussion; Good there, but that does indicate much lack, of agreement, on action(s) going forward.
Listen to what some leaders have stated;
Pres. Obama:.
"...We at least know, that with wholesale switch, to fully electric transportation systems, that electricity prices will, necessarily skyrocket."In a previous discussion I already wrote that electricity is likely to become a scarse commodity so it is not a good idea at all to become fully dependant on electricity for all energy supply. Unfortunately, for too many electricity is something that comes out of a socket in the wall magically. Yesterday there was an article in the newspaper saying 2 out of 3 people in the NL are utterly clueless about their energy use and costs. They will be in for a nasty surprise especially since gas and electricity prices have tripled or even quadrupled.
There us no credible evidence that “ electricity will become scarce “.
I see a lot of volume, of discussion; Good there, but that does indicate much lack, of agreement, on action(s) going forward.
Listen to what some leaders have stated;
Pres. Obama:.
"...We at least know, that with wholesale switch, to fully electric transportation systems, that electricity prices will, necessarily skyrocket."In a previous discussion I already wrote that electricity is likely to become a scarse commodity so it is not a good idea at all to become fully dependant on electricity for all energy supply. Unfortunately, for too many electricity is something that comes out of a socket in the wall magically. Yesterday there was an article in the newspaper saying 2 out of 3 people in the NL are utterly clueless about their energy use and costs. They will be in for a nasty surprise especially since gas and electricity prices have tripled or even quadrupled.
There is no credible evidence that “ electricity will become scarce “.QuoteWhat is there not to understand about 'prices have quadrupled'? Cost efficient storage is a problem that has not been solved at all; that is just getting started with pilot projects.Energy price rises have happened due to the Ukrainian situation there is a log of evidence many suppliers have been profiteering and chickens will come home to roost with countries limiting prices rises , France has already done so.
Hence as tbd Ukrainian situation is resolved and calm is restored. Pricing will stabilise
In fact I was talking to a grid regulator ( he’s a friend ) avd he said that tbd Ukrainian situation has spurred massive interest in domestic solar and insulation schemes and that within 10 years there would be too much generation capacity and a crisis as a result.
Don't waste your time with people that can't even see reality.