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Mr. Scram:

--- Quote from: Rick Law on April 23, 2020, 07:54:18 pm ---I must echo Electro Detective's concern in agreement.  I know people with weaken/compromised immune system.  They would be facing a much elevated danger even with weaken virus (which is what vaccine often are made of).  Even my house-cat (my kid's cat) has immune issues.  We have to be careful with anti-whatever "preventive" injections.

By the way - now cats are twice-confirmed victims of the Wuhan Virus.   Two infected cats in NYC confirmed.

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That's why people who know of and understand the nuances are involved who can assess the situation and apply proper treatment. It's not just shooting everyone up and hoping for the best. Protecting the few who can't be vaccinated is also why group immunity and a complete as possible coverage are important. There are various kinds of vaccines of which the "weakened organism" or attentuated vaccine is just one form.
james_s:
The thing that bothers me about the anti-vaxers is that it's all a bunch of armchair experts with little to no actual medical background or expertise second-guessing the people who actually do know what they're doing. It's no different than the people with no engineering background or expertise who go around pushing free energy scams, over-unity and other bullshit claims. It's people who know just enough to think they understand something while not knowing enough to realize just how little they actually know. In both cases they talk a lot about doing "research" which is in reality nothing more than engaging in confirmation bias surfing youtube and blogs for things that fit their preconceived beliefs, ignoring any actual research that does not support what they already think. It's not research at all, but that doesn't stop them from pushing their backwards incorrect beliefs as fact.
Electro Detective:

--- Quote from: Rick Law on April 23, 2020, 07:54:18 pm ---
--- Quote from: Electro Detective on April 23, 2020, 09:57:20 am ---
--- Quote from: Halcyon on April 23, 2020, 09:21:28 am ---
--- Quote from: Benta on April 19, 2020, 06:32:26 pm ---Well, if you want to talk about irrationality, just go to the "creationists".   :palm:

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Don't forget the flat earthers and anti-vaxxers!


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With due respect, I wouldn't be in a hurry to stick in the boots on 'most' anti-vaxxers just yet, who merely raise concerns about what's really in those chemicals. 
They are not in the numbskull class of creationists, devil tail fondlers, big bang theorists, 'what shape' earthers, President Trump mud slingers,
or other attention seekers and paid mis-information PC vending trolls

Vaccines, that most people run to get themselves jabbed with, to supposedly become impervious to annual sniffles and pandemic class diseases (awesome marketing btw  :-+ :clap:)
know nothing about the custom cocktail or placebo being mixed into their blood stream

This isn't WYSIWYG diagnosis and parts replacement in electronics, or preventative car maintenance, or cleaning gutters 

Heads Up!  :o  someone is sticking you with something you know nothing about, and likely they know little or not enough about,
whilst the pharma companies that produce it may have got it wrong in the lab and or tests on monkeys seemed ok, 
and you're stuck with it, perhaps with permanent drama if there's liquid metals or byproducts in the concoction,

while they count and pocket your cash either way, and their suits get them off in court, or defer the case for decades

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I must echo Electro Detective's concern in agreement.  I know people with weaken/compromised immune system.  They would be facing a much elevated danger even with weaken virus (which is what vaccine often are made of).  Even my house-cat (my kid's cat) has immune issues.  We have to be careful with anti-whatever "preventive" injections.

By the way - now cats are twice-confirmed victims of the Wuhan Virus.   Two infected cats in NYC confirmed.

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@ Rick Law: Think twice on those 'echoes' or get ready for what always comes next mate  >:D

the information gatekeepers are well organized and play the 'majority' mindset well, with loads of questionably sourced  statistics and news media 'stories' :clap:

i.e. whistleblowers, questioners and  ~conspiracy coincidence~ point dogs are NOT WELCOME in the controlled debate arena  =   :--  >:( :rant: :horse:

and the subsequent ubiquitous follow through of troll calling with insinuations of mental deficiency, apathy, distorted deniers logic, and or poor meds management   :D

fwiw I'm not getting 'that' paycheck to play along, nor should you believe that, but everyone locally here in my locale and beyond, is depressed, confused,
paranoid and gradually becoming irrational,
and many, too many, about to go seriously financially under because of this OBVIOUS global planned-demic taking advantage of clueless populations,
conditioned over the decades to exhibit FEAR at the first sign of the common cold/flu sniffles, fatigue, headaches,  skin rashes, twilight years issues etc

Even if the gubbermint tosses us a honeymooners out of work bone for now, they too will have to borrow from the big banksters eventually to stay afloat,
and that means more higher taxes and duties on the already impoverished battlers and small business, just to keep up with the interest payments etc

People are still going to get sick and die at the same rates and the same maladies, with or without this latest 'mutating' fear flu   :scared: :scared: :scared:

With all this going on, 'Fear of number 13...' or other numerology BS doesn't even rate   :palm:


Oh and BTW: My sincere best wishes to the owners (staff) of the two confirmed infected cats in NYC 
and hope a deal goes through in NYC style,
so one or two of the nine cat lives can be traded in for immunity against the suspected corona assault

 :popcorn:


SiliconWizard:

--- Quote from: Rick Law on April 23, 2020, 07:54:18 pm --- I know people with weaken/compromised immune system.  They would be facing a much elevated danger even with weaken virus (which is what vaccine often are made of).

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Well, actually, with this one virus, clinical data show a slightly different story.

Whereas people with a weak immune system are certainly more likely to get infected and develop symptoms, it has been noticed at this point that they may be less likely to get the very severe condition leading to possible death, in which the immune system suddenly gets crazy (the "cytokine storm"). Of course that seems true for people with real immunodepression. Older people tend to have an immune system that gets progressively defective while not being exactly a state of immunodepression per se, and in this case, the cytokine storm has been noticed.

Just a thought, from what I've gathered. I'm no MD.
Mr. Scram:

--- Quote from: Electro Detective on April 23, 2020, 11:24:25 pm ---@ Rick Law: Think twice on those 'echoes' or get ready for what always comes next mate  >:D

the information gatekeepers are well organized and play the 'majority' mindset well, with loads of questionably sourced  statistics and news media 'stories' :clap:

i.e. whistleblowers, questioners and  ~conspiracy coincidence~ point dogs are NOT WELCOME in the controlled debate arena  =   :--  >:( :rant: :horse:

and the subsequent ubiquitous follow through of troll calling with insinuations of mental deficiency, apathy, distorted deniers logic, and or poor meds management   :D

fwiw I'm not getting 'that' paycheck to play along, nor should you believe that, but everyone locally here in my locale and beyond, is depressed, confused,
paranoid and gradually becoming irrational,
and many, too many, about to go seriously financially under because of this OBVIOUS global planned-demic taking advantage of clueless populations,
conditioned over the decades to exhibit FEAR at the first sign of the common cold/flu sniffles, fatigue, headaches,  skin rashes, twilight years issues etc

Even if the gubbermint tosses us a honeymooners out of work bone for now, they too will have to borrow from the big banksters eventually to stay afloat,
and that means more higher taxes and duties on the already impoverished battlers and small business, just to keep up with the interest payments etc

People are still going to get sick and die at the same rates and the same maladies, with or without this latest 'mutating' fear flu   :scared: :scared: :scared:

With all this going on, 'Fear of number 13...' or other numerology BS doesn't even rate   :palm:


Oh and BTW: My sincere best wishes to the owners (staff) of the two confirmed infected cats in NYC 
and hope a deal goes through in NYC style,
so one or two of the nine cat lives can be traded in for immunity against the suspected corona assault

 :popcorn:

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Believe what you want, as long as you follow the bloody rules.
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