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Offline Electro Detective

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Re: Fear of number 13...
« Reply #25 on: April 23, 2020, 09:57:20 am »
Well, if you want to talk about irrationality, just go to the "creationists".   :palm:

Don't forget the flat earthers and anti-vaxxers!


With due respect, I wouldn't be in a hurry to stick in the boots on 'most' anti-vaxxers just yet, who merely raise concerns about what's really in those chemicals. 
They are not in the numbskull class of creationists, devil tail fondlers, big bang theorists, 'what shape' earthers, President Trump mud slingers,
or other attention seekers and paid mis-information PC vending trolls

Vaccines, that most people run to get themselves jabbed with, to supposedly become impervious to annual sniffles and pandemic class diseases (awesome marketing btw  :-+ :clap:)
know nothing about the custom cocktail or placebo being mixed into their blood stream

This isn't WYSIWYG diagnosis and parts replacement in electronics, or preventative car maintenance, or cleaning gutters 

Heads Up!  :o  someone is sticking you with something you know nothing about, and likely they know little or not enough about,
whilst the pharma companies that produce it may have got it wrong in the lab and or tests on monkeys seemed ok, 
and you're stuck with it, perhaps with permanent drama if there's liquid metals or byproducts in the concoction,

while they count and pocket your cash either way, and their suits get them off in court, or defer the case for decades

 

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Re: Fear of number 13...
« Reply #26 on: April 23, 2020, 02:04:57 pm »
Or you might get the autisms..

You must be skipping your drugs...  ::)
 
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Re: Fear of number 13...
« Reply #27 on: April 23, 2020, 02:30:56 pm »
Allegedly, Friday the 13th of October in 1307 was a bad day on earth for the Knights Templar's, when most of them were killed.

And since then the number 13 is a fearful and superstitious number.

Somehow I like instruments and lab equipment and calculators that have a 13 in their model number.

The version I heard as a kid was that at The Last Supper, in the gospel passion story, there were 13 people at the table (Jesus and 12 apostles), and that two were dead (Jesus and Judas) shortly thereafter.  As a superstition origin story, it makes sense, but I don’t know when (in history) triskadekaphobia became popular.
 

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Re: Fear of number 13...
« Reply #28 on: April 23, 2020, 07:15:39 pm »
Are you still buying it?  :horse:
We're never going to change you believing in most if not all of the kooky stories out there. Just make sure you follow the bloody regulations so you don't get people killed. Maybe use the time off to befriend some sensible people like doctors who'll tell you first hand what they're dealing with right now. Well, maybe not right now as they're busy being useful.
 

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Re: Fear of number 13...
« Reply #29 on: April 23, 2020, 07:54:18 pm »
Well, if you want to talk about irrationality, just go to the "creationists".   :palm:

Don't forget the flat earthers and anti-vaxxers!


With due respect, I wouldn't be in a hurry to stick in the boots on 'most' anti-vaxxers just yet, who merely raise concerns about what's really in those chemicals. 
They are not in the numbskull class of creationists, devil tail fondlers, big bang theorists, 'what shape' earthers, President Trump mud slingers,
or other attention seekers and paid mis-information PC vending trolls

Vaccines, that most people run to get themselves jabbed with, to supposedly become impervious to annual sniffles and pandemic class diseases (awesome marketing btw  :-+ :clap:)
know nothing about the custom cocktail or placebo being mixed into their blood stream

This isn't WYSIWYG diagnosis and parts replacement in electronics, or preventative car maintenance, or cleaning gutters 

Heads Up!  :o  someone is sticking you with something you know nothing about, and likely they know little or not enough about,
whilst the pharma companies that produce it may have got it wrong in the lab and or tests on monkeys seemed ok, 
and you're stuck with it, perhaps with permanent drama if there's liquid metals or byproducts in the concoction,

while they count and pocket your cash either way, and their suits get them off in court, or defer the case for decades

I must echo Electro Detective's concern in agreement.  I know people with weaken/compromised immune system.  They would be facing a much elevated danger even with weaken virus (which is what vaccine often are made of).  Even my house-cat (my kid's cat) has immune issues.  We have to be careful with anti-whatever "preventive" injections.

By the way - now cats are twice-confirmed victims of the Wuhan Virus.   Two infected cats in NYC confirmed.
 
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Re: Fear of number 13...
« Reply #30 on: April 23, 2020, 08:09:34 pm »
I must echo Electro Detective's concern in agreement.  I know people with weaken/compromised immune system.  They would be facing a much elevated danger even with weaken virus (which is what vaccine often are made of).  Even my house-cat (my kid's cat) has immune issues.  We have to be careful with anti-whatever "preventive" injections.

By the way - now cats are twice-confirmed victims of the Wuhan Virus.   Two infected cats in NYC confirmed.
That's why people who know of and understand the nuances are involved who can assess the situation and apply proper treatment. It's not just shooting everyone up and hoping for the best. Protecting the few who can't be vaccinated is also why group immunity and a complete as possible coverage are important. There are various kinds of vaccines of which the "weakened organism" or attentuated vaccine is just one form.
 

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Re: Fear of number 13...
« Reply #31 on: April 23, 2020, 09:00:57 pm »
The thing that bothers me about the anti-vaxers is that it's all a bunch of armchair experts with little to no actual medical background or expertise second-guessing the people who actually do know what they're doing. It's no different than the people with no engineering background or expertise who go around pushing free energy scams, over-unity and other bullshit claims. It's people who know just enough to think they understand something while not knowing enough to realize just how little they actually know. In both cases they talk a lot about doing "research" which is in reality nothing more than engaging in confirmation bias surfing youtube and blogs for things that fit their preconceived beliefs, ignoring any actual research that does not support what they already think. It's not research at all, but that doesn't stop them from pushing their backwards incorrect beliefs as fact.
 
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Re: Fear of number 13...
« Reply #32 on: April 23, 2020, 11:24:25 pm »
Well, if you want to talk about irrationality, just go to the "creationists".   :palm:

Don't forget the flat earthers and anti-vaxxers!


With due respect, I wouldn't be in a hurry to stick in the boots on 'most' anti-vaxxers just yet, who merely raise concerns about what's really in those chemicals. 
They are not in the numbskull class of creationists, devil tail fondlers, big bang theorists, 'what shape' earthers, President Trump mud slingers,
or other attention seekers and paid mis-information PC vending trolls

Vaccines, that most people run to get themselves jabbed with, to supposedly become impervious to annual sniffles and pandemic class diseases (awesome marketing btw  :-+ :clap:)
know nothing about the custom cocktail or placebo being mixed into their blood stream

This isn't WYSIWYG diagnosis and parts replacement in electronics, or preventative car maintenance, or cleaning gutters 

Heads Up!  :o  someone is sticking you with something you know nothing about, and likely they know little or not enough about,
whilst the pharma companies that produce it may have got it wrong in the lab and or tests on monkeys seemed ok, 
and you're stuck with it, perhaps with permanent drama if there's liquid metals or byproducts in the concoction,

while they count and pocket your cash either way, and their suits get them off in court, or defer the case for decades

I must echo Electro Detective's concern in agreement.  I know people with weaken/compromised immune system.  They would be facing a much elevated danger even with weaken virus (which is what vaccine often are made of).  Even my house-cat (my kid's cat) has immune issues.  We have to be careful with anti-whatever "preventive" injections.

By the way - now cats are twice-confirmed victims of the Wuhan Virus.   Two infected cats in NYC confirmed.



@ Rick Law: Think twice on those 'echoes' or get ready for what always comes next mate  >:D

the information gatekeepers are well organized and play the 'majority' mindset well, with loads of questionably sourced  statistics and news media 'stories' :clap:

i.e. whistleblowers, questioners and  ~conspiracy coincidence~ point dogs are NOT WELCOME in the controlled debate arena  =   :--  >:( :rant: :horse:

and the subsequent ubiquitous follow through of troll calling with insinuations of mental deficiency, apathy, distorted deniers logic, and or poor meds management   :D

fwiw I'm not getting 'that' paycheck to play along, nor should you believe that, but everyone locally here in my locale and beyond, is depressed, confused,
paranoid and gradually becoming irrational,
and many, too many, about to go seriously financially under because of this OBVIOUS global planned-demic taking advantage of clueless populations,
conditioned over the decades to exhibit FEAR at the first sign of the common cold/flu sniffles, fatigue, headaches,  skin rashes, twilight years issues etc

Even if the gubbermint tosses us a honeymooners out of work bone for now, they too will have to borrow from the big banksters eventually to stay afloat,
and that means more higher taxes and duties on the already impoverished battlers and small business, just to keep up with the interest payments etc

People are still going to get sick and die at the same rates and the same maladies, with or without this latest 'mutating' fear flu   :scared: :scared: :scared:

With all this going on, 'Fear of number 13...' or other numerology BS doesn't even rate   :palm:


Oh and BTW: My sincere best wishes to the owners (staff) of the two confirmed infected cats in NYC 
and hope a deal goes through in NYC style,
so one or two of the nine cat lives can be traded in for immunity against the suspected corona assault

 :popcorn:


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Re: Fear of number 13...
« Reply #33 on: April 23, 2020, 11:38:41 pm »
I know people with weaken/compromised immune system.  They would be facing a much elevated danger even with weaken virus (which is what vaccine often are made of).

Well, actually, with this one virus, clinical data show a slightly different story.

Whereas people with a weak immune system are certainly more likely to get infected and develop symptoms, it has been noticed at this point that they may be less likely to get the very severe condition leading to possible death, in which the immune system suddenly gets crazy (the "cytokine storm"). Of course that seems true for people with real immunodepression. Older people tend to have an immune system that gets progressively defective while not being exactly a state of immunodepression per se, and in this case, the cytokine storm has been noticed.

Just a thought, from what I've gathered. I'm no MD.
 

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Re: Fear of number 13...
« Reply #34 on: April 24, 2020, 07:58:29 am »
@ Rick Law: Think twice on those 'echoes' or get ready for what always comes next mate  >:D

the information gatekeepers are well organized and play the 'majority' mindset well, with loads of questionably sourced  statistics and news media 'stories' :clap:

i.e. whistleblowers, questioners and  ~conspiracy coincidence~ point dogs are NOT WELCOME in the controlled debate arena  =   :--  >:( :rant: :horse:

and the subsequent ubiquitous follow through of troll calling with insinuations of mental deficiency, apathy, distorted deniers logic, and or poor meds management   :D

fwiw I'm not getting 'that' paycheck to play along, nor should you believe that, but everyone locally here in my locale and beyond, is depressed, confused,
paranoid and gradually becoming irrational,
and many, too many, about to go seriously financially under because of this OBVIOUS global planned-demic taking advantage of clueless populations,
conditioned over the decades to exhibit FEAR at the first sign of the common cold/flu sniffles, fatigue, headaches,  skin rashes, twilight years issues etc

Even if the gubbermint tosses us a honeymooners out of work bone for now, they too will have to borrow from the big banksters eventually to stay afloat,
and that means more higher taxes and duties on the already impoverished battlers and small business, just to keep up with the interest payments etc

People are still going to get sick and die at the same rates and the same maladies, with or without this latest 'mutating' fear flu   :scared: :scared: :scared:

With all this going on, 'Fear of number 13...' or other numerology BS doesn't even rate   :palm:


Oh and BTW: My sincere best wishes to the owners (staff) of the two confirmed infected cats in NYC 
and hope a deal goes through in NYC style,
so one or two of the nine cat lives can be traded in for immunity against the suspected corona assault

 :popcorn:
Believe what you want, as long as you follow the bloody rules.
 
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Re: Fear of number 13...
« Reply #35 on: April 24, 2020, 09:36:46 am »

Believe what you want, as long as you follow the bloody rules.


Is that all you got? bossing me and insinuating I don't follow the rules?

FYI: I follow them to the letter and beyond, because not only is it THE right thing to do, and a safe bet,

it gives the snitches and trolls nothing to work with  :D  and I don't cop peoples BO and death breath


I'm happy to wait and do the 'I told you so..' thing when we are all bankrupt and destitute, it won't be a long wait btw  :clap:

knowing full well that some pushing this along won't be out of pocket,
nor will they roll up their arm for the magic vaccination that ends the show    :popcorn:

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Re: Fear of number 13...
« Reply #36 on: April 24, 2020, 09:56:14 am »
If I feared only '0' and '1' I'd be buggered working in Binary!!  :scared:
Diagonal of 1x1 square = Root-2. Ok.
Diagonal of 1x1x1 cube = Root-3 !!!  Beautiful !!
 
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Re: Fear of number 13...
« Reply #37 on: April 24, 2020, 01:40:52 pm »
Is that all you got? bossing me and insinuating I don't follow the rules?

FYI: I follow them to the letter and beyond, because not only is it THE right thing to do, and a safe bet,

it gives the snitches and trolls nothing to work with  :D  and I don't cop peoples BO and death breath


I'm happy to wait and do the 'I told you so..' thing when we are all bankrupt and destitute, it won't be a long wait btw  :clap:

knowing full well that some pushing this along won't be out of pocket,
nor will they roll up their arm for the magic vaccination that ends the show    :popcorn:
I'd say that I'm just stating the obvious. The potential issue is that "obvious" tends to mean something different on your end than it usually does. I'm not sure why following regulations would be THE right thing to do if you believe it's all a hoax but I won't argue with the result.
 

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Re: Fear of number 13...
« Reply #38 on: April 24, 2020, 01:58:37 pm »
I still don't know for sure what ED's opinion is. It looks like he thinks Covid-19 is some kind of hoax, which in itself doesn't really match with the reality in hospitals and people dying. The reality of the virus itself and its dangerosity is hard to deny?

Now the secondary point that he says some people are going to take advantage of the whole situation while the rest of the world will suffer from the recession, I can't really disagree with this. It's very likely what is going to happen. This is what happens with almost every major crisis.

But the point that it would be all done on purpose - I have of course no proof of that being completely false, but anyone claiming it should IMO provide at least some proof, according, I guess, to the principle of the burden of proof.
 
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« Reply #39 on: April 24, 2020, 03:55:05 pm »
I still don't know for sure what ED's opinion is. It looks like he thinks Covid-19 is some kind of hoax, which in itself doesn't really match with the reality in hospitals and people dying. The reality of the virus itself and its dangerosity is hard to deny?

Now the secondary point that he says some people are going to take advantage of the whole situation while the rest of the world will suffer from the recession, I can't really disagree with this. It's very likely what is going to happen. This is what happens with almost every major crisis.

But the point that it would be all done on purpose - I have of course no proof of that being completely false, but anyone claiming it should IMO provide at least some proof, according, I guess, to the principle of the burden of proof.
I think Electro Detective is a hoax that became self aware, except aware of his own nature.

 

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Re: Fear of number 13...
« Reply #40 on: April 24, 2020, 04:07:32 pm »
Why have confined us? The society compared with a  flock of sheeps.

The video is french and  subtitled in spanish ,but you can translate to english with  the  subtitle option.


https://youtu.be/SAAHYm8oBTA
 
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Re: Fear of number 13...
« Reply #41 on: April 24, 2020, 04:25:22 pm »


 ;D
 
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Re: Fear of number 13...
« Reply #42 on: April 24, 2020, 04:32:34 pm »
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 ;D
It honestly sounds frightening to have conspiracies and malicious intentions hiding behind every tree. It's like Australia, except the spiders are conspiracies.
 

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Re: Fear of number 13...
« Reply #43 on: April 24, 2020, 06:48:54 pm »
Beyond the whole conspiracy stuff, there are two main questions here IMO, that appear legit to ask.

First is about the virus itself, how bad it really is (it seems again hard to deny that it's worse than seasonal flu), and where exactly it comes from. This last point, from what I've read, is still not completely clear. There are still several hypotheses.

Second is indeed about instilling fear into populations all over the world, beginning, as I mentioned in another thread, with the fear of others. Anyone can now be a direct threat to others, without even knowing it. I for one am absolutely not saying this was done on purpose, and just the fact this virus is spreading was enough to have this as a consequence. But i'll just have to admit that it gives great opportunities for population control, and the whole confinement, an excellent exercise to test population compliance.

Some will see all this as a plot. Others, like me currently (until I get proof of otherwise), just see this as an opportunity that is likely to be taken by at least some governments to better control their populations. Opportunities are not, in general, causes.
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Re: Fear of number 13...
« Reply #44 on: April 24, 2020, 08:26:49 pm »
Some will see all this as a plot. Others, like me currently (until I get proof of otherwise), just see this as an opportunity that is likely to be taken by at least some governments to better control their populations. Opportunities are not, in general, causes.


I don't think governments need a plot. If someone powerful wants to grab more power they can just do so. If the government really wants more control it's easy enough to grab more control, laws get tacked onto unrelated bills all the time, it wouldn't be hard to make up an excuse for any number of things. It doesn't take a conspiracy, heck build a site like Facebook and people are voluntarily handing over their information and privacy to an unknown entity, no dramatic event required.
 
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Re: Fear of number 13...
« Reply #45 on: April 24, 2020, 08:30:05 pm »
I know people with weaken/compromised immune system.  They would be facing a much elevated danger even with weaken virus (which is what vaccine often are made of).

Well, actually, with this one virus, clinical data show a slightly different story.

Whereas people with a weak immune system are certainly more likely to get infected and develop symptoms, it has been noticed at this point that they may be less likely to get the very severe condition leading to possible death, in which the immune system suddenly gets crazy (the "cytokine storm"). Of course that seems true for people with real immunodepression. Older people tend to have an immune system that gets progressively defective while not being exactly a state of immunodepression per se, and in this case, the cytokine storm has been noticed.

Just a thought, from what I've gathered. I'm no MD.

Copy that!  I heard an interview of a doctor in a Long Island hospital (New York) on an Australian TV channel on youtube.  She was saying similar things (that this virus may have different response to weak immune), but I don't recall the details.  I do however recall  she said being overweight appears to be a (statistically) huge weakness against this virus.  That said, my comment was more so on vaccines in general and not on vaccine(s) for this virus alone.  I think too many have too much unrealistic trust on medical professional.  People are people, most are honorable but some are just profit driven and without a soul.

So, you are no MD and giving out advice...  Well, head of W.H.O. is also not an M.D., that hasn't stop him from giving out medical advice to the world, so I can't beat you up too hard for doing the same...
 

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Re: Fear of number 13...
« Reply #46 on: April 24, 2020, 08:34:18 pm »
I'm happy to wait and do the 'I told you so..' thing when we are all bankrupt and destitute, it won't be a long wait btw  :clap:


Under what circumstances are you going to say "I told you so"?

Do you mean that if it turns out that the social distancing and lockdowns are effective and stop the rapid spreading of the virus and enormous number of deaths then you'll say "I told you so, we didn't need to lock down after all??  :palm:

Do you not believe what is going on in parts of the USA, especially places like New York? Do you think that Australia is fundamentally different and immune to such a thing happening?

Frankly to most of us you sound a lot like this guy:
https://www.syracuse.com/coronavirus/2020/04/ohio-man-dies-of-coronavirus-after-calling-it-a-political-ploy.html

Or this woman:
https://www.lgbtqnation.com/2020/04/texas-woman-claimed-covid-19-media-hoax-can-stopped-faith-days-later-died/

Or countless others like them. Realize that since March Covid has killed more than 4x as many in the US as the flu has throughout the entire season and the number is still rising. What makes the situation different for you? How deep in denial can a person get?
 

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Re: Fear of number 13...
« Reply #47 on: April 24, 2020, 08:55:31 pm »
I know people with weaken/compromised immune system.  They would be facing a much elevated danger even with weaken virus (which is what vaccine often are made of).

Well, actually, with this one virus, clinical data show a slightly different story.

Whereas people with a weak immune system are certainly more likely to get infected and develop symptoms, it has been noticed at this point that they may be less likely to get the very severe condition leading to possible death, in which the immune system suddenly gets crazy (the "cytokine storm"). Of course that seems true for people with real immunodepression. Older people tend to have an immune system that gets progressively defective while not being exactly a state of immunodepression per se, and in this case, the cytokine storm has been noticed.

Just a thought, from what I've gathered. I'm no MD.

Copy that!  I heard an interview of a doctor in a Long Island hospital (New York) on an Australian TV channel on youtube.  She was saying similar things (that this virus may have different response to weak immune), but I don't recall the details.  I do however recall  she said being overweight appears to be a (statistically) huge weakness against this virus.

Yes, I can confirm many ICUs over here have reported the same. Being overweight seems a definite factor.

So, you are no MD and giving out advice...  Well, head of W.H.O. is also not an M.D., that hasn't stop him from giving out medical advice to the world, so I can't beat you up too hard for doing the same...

Huh? I was not giving out any advice. Just reporting some information I got from dependable sources, but I was just mentioning I'm no MD, so people would take this preliminary information with a pinch of salt. I hope nobody took this as "advice", whatever that would mean. If anyone thinks what I said meant that any immunodepressed person can just freely move around without risking anything with this virus, that was absolutely not it. ::)

Which has nothing to do with the WHO... I remember the "debate" we had a while ago about masks and the WHO's advice.

Funny right:
http://www.academie-medecine.fr/communique-de-lacademie-pandemie-de-covid-19-mesures-barrieres-renforcees-pendant-le-confinement-et-en-phase-de-sortie-de-confinement/
(you can get that translated if you're not familiar with french)
English version: http://www.academie-medecine.fr/wp-content/uploads/2020/04/Covid-19-pandemic-enhanced-barrier-measures-during-containment-and-in-the-ex-containment-phase.pdf
(I've read the english doc and IMHO it's not very good english. I apologize on behalf of the Académie de médecine, and suggest using Google translate instead, as it may lead to a better translation. For native speakers, don't hesitate to confirm. ::) )
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Re: Fear of number 13...
« Reply #48 on: April 25, 2020, 12:13:53 am »
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So, you are no MD and giving out advice...  Well, head of W.H.O. is also not an M.D., that hasn't stop him from giving out medical advice to the world, so I can't beat you up too hard for doing the same...

Huh? I was not giving out any advice. Just reporting some information I got from dependable sources, but I was just mentioning I'm no MD, so people would take this preliminary information with a pinch of salt. I hope nobody took this as "advice", whatever that would mean. If anyone thinks what I said meant that any immunodepressed person can just freely move around without risking anything with this virus, that was absolutely not it. ::)

Which has nothing to do with the WHO... I remember the "debate" we had a while ago about masks and the WHO's advice.

Funny right:
http://www.academie-medecine.fr/communique-de-lacademie-pandemie-de-covid-19-mesures-barrieres-renforcees-pendant-le-confinement-et-en-phase-de-sortie-de-confinement/
(you can get that translated if you're not familiar with french)
English version: http://www.academie-medecine.fr/wp-content/uploads/2020/04/Covid-19-pandemic-enhanced-barrier-measures-during-containment-and-in-the-ex-containment-phase.pdf
(I've read the english doc and IMHO it's not very good english. I apologize on behalf of the Académie de médecine, and suggest using Google translate instead, as it may lead to a better translation. For native speakers, don't hesitate to confirm. ::) )

Relax, I was teasing...  I was musing over your carefully worded but unnecessary disclaimer, which I also frequently do.   Unnecessary as it was clearly an opinion in an exchange of opinions.   Contrasted with the head of W.H.O. from whom I think an "I'm no M.D." disclaimer is probably more applicable and necessary.

In fact, I found your comment interesting and duly filed in my "he got a point" area in my brain.
 

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Re: Fear of number 13...
« Reply #49 on: April 25, 2020, 03:33:46 am »
I'm happy to wait and do the 'I told you so..' thing when we are all bankrupt and destitute, it won't be a long wait btw  :clap:


Under what circumstances are you going to say "I told you so"?

Do you mean that if it turns out that the social distancing and lockdowns are effective and stop the rapid spreading of the virus and enormous number of deaths then you'll say "I told you so, we didn't need to lock down after all??  :palm:

Do you not believe what is going on in parts of the USA, especially places like New York? Do you think that Australia is fundamentally different and immune to such a thing happening?

Frankly to most of us you sound a lot like this guy:
https://www.syracuse.com/coronavirus/2020/04/ohio-man-dies-of-coronavirus-after-calling-it-a-political-ploy.html

Or this woman:
https://www.lgbtqnation.com/2020/04/texas-woman-claimed-covid-19-media-hoax-can-stopped-faith-days-later-died/

Or countless others like them. Realize that since March Covid has killed more than 4x as many in the US as the flu has throughout the entire season and the number is still rising. What makes the situation different for you? How deep in denial can a person get?

Nice work  :clap:  playing on the scaredy cat  'damned if you do/don't' thing..  one of the better debate loop pros huh?  ;)


But we both know "there's a sucker born every minute" to keep up stocks


but don't forget the classic:

"You can fool all the people some of the time,

and some of the people all the time,

but you cannot fool ALL the people ALL the time."



Although it's not impossible it seems in 2020  :o 

 


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