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Fear of number 13...
Rick Law:
--- Quote from: SiliconWizard on April 23, 2020, 11:38:41 pm ---
--- Quote from: Rick Law on April 23, 2020, 07:54:18 pm --- I know people with weaken/compromised immune system. They would be facing a much elevated danger even with weaken virus (which is what vaccine often are made of).
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Well, actually, with this one virus, clinical data show a slightly different story.
Whereas people with a weak immune system are certainly more likely to get infected and develop symptoms, it has been noticed at this point that they may be less likely to get the very severe condition leading to possible death, in which the immune system suddenly gets crazy (the "cytokine storm"). Of course that seems true for people with real immunodepression. Older people tend to have an immune system that gets progressively defective while not being exactly a state of immunodepression per se, and in this case, the cytokine storm has been noticed.
Just a thought, from what I've gathered. I'm no MD.
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Copy that! I heard an interview of a doctor in a Long Island hospital (New York) on an Australian TV channel on youtube. She was saying similar things (that this virus may have different response to weak immune), but I don't recall the details. I do however recall she said being overweight appears to be a (statistically) huge weakness against this virus. That said, my comment was more so on vaccines in general and not on vaccine(s) for this virus alone. I think too many have too much unrealistic trust on medical professional. People are people, most are honorable but some are just profit driven and without a soul.
So, you are no MD and giving out advice... Well, head of W.H.O. is also not an M.D., that hasn't stop him from giving out medical advice to the world, so I can't beat you up too hard for doing the same...
james_s:
--- Quote from: Electro Detective on April 24, 2020, 09:36:46 am ---I'm happy to wait and do the 'I told you so..' thing when we are all bankrupt and destitute, it won't be a long wait btw :clap:
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Under what circumstances are you going to say "I told you so"?
Do you mean that if it turns out that the social distancing and lockdowns are effective and stop the rapid spreading of the virus and enormous number of deaths then you'll say "I told you so, we didn't need to lock down after all?? :palm:
Do you not believe what is going on in parts of the USA, especially places like New York? Do you think that Australia is fundamentally different and immune to such a thing happening?
Frankly to most of us you sound a lot like this guy:
https://www.syracuse.com/coronavirus/2020/04/ohio-man-dies-of-coronavirus-after-calling-it-a-political-ploy.html
Or this woman:
https://www.lgbtqnation.com/2020/04/texas-woman-claimed-covid-19-media-hoax-can-stopped-faith-days-later-died/
Or countless others like them. Realize that since March Covid has killed more than 4x as many in the US as the flu has throughout the entire season and the number is still rising. What makes the situation different for you? How deep in denial can a person get?
SiliconWizard:
--- Quote from: Rick Law on April 24, 2020, 08:30:05 pm ---
--- Quote from: SiliconWizard on April 23, 2020, 11:38:41 pm ---
--- Quote from: Rick Law on April 23, 2020, 07:54:18 pm --- I know people with weaken/compromised immune system. They would be facing a much elevated danger even with weaken virus (which is what vaccine often are made of).
--- End quote ---
Well, actually, with this one virus, clinical data show a slightly different story.
Whereas people with a weak immune system are certainly more likely to get infected and develop symptoms, it has been noticed at this point that they may be less likely to get the very severe condition leading to possible death, in which the immune system suddenly gets crazy (the "cytokine storm"). Of course that seems true for people with real immunodepression. Older people tend to have an immune system that gets progressively defective while not being exactly a state of immunodepression per se, and in this case, the cytokine storm has been noticed.
Just a thought, from what I've gathered. I'm no MD.
--- End quote ---
Copy that! I heard an interview of a doctor in a Long Island hospital (New York) on an Australian TV channel on youtube. She was saying similar things (that this virus may have different response to weak immune), but I don't recall the details. I do however recall she said being overweight appears to be a (statistically) huge weakness against this virus.
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Yes, I can confirm many ICUs over here have reported the same. Being overweight seems a definite factor.
--- Quote from: Rick Law on April 24, 2020, 08:30:05 pm ---So, you are no MD and giving out advice... Well, head of W.H.O. is also not an M.D., that hasn't stop him from giving out medical advice to the world, so I can't beat you up too hard for doing the same...
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Huh? I was not giving out any advice. Just reporting some information I got from dependable sources, but I was just mentioning I'm no MD, so people would take this preliminary information with a pinch of salt. I hope nobody took this as "advice", whatever that would mean. If anyone thinks what I said meant that any immunodepressed person can just freely move around without risking anything with this virus, that was absolutely not it. ::)
Which has nothing to do with the WHO... I remember the "debate" we had a while ago about masks and the WHO's advice.
Funny right:
http://www.academie-medecine.fr/communique-de-lacademie-pandemie-de-covid-19-mesures-barrieres-renforcees-pendant-le-confinement-et-en-phase-de-sortie-de-confinement/
(you can get that translated if you're not familiar with french)
English version: http://www.academie-medecine.fr/wp-content/uploads/2020/04/Covid-19-pandemic-enhanced-barrier-measures-during-containment-and-in-the-ex-containment-phase.pdf
(I've read the english doc and IMHO it's not very good english. I apologize on behalf of the Académie de médecine, and suggest using Google translate instead, as it may lead to a better translation. For native speakers, don't hesitate to confirm. ::) )
Rick Law:
--- Quote from: SiliconWizard on April 24, 2020, 08:55:31 pm ---...
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--- Quote from: Rick Law on April 24, 2020, 08:30:05 pm ---So, you are no MD and giving out advice... Well, head of W.H.O. is also not an M.D., that hasn't stop him from giving out medical advice to the world, so I can't beat you up too hard for doing the same...
--- End quote ---
Huh? I was not giving out any advice. Just reporting some information I got from dependable sources, but I was just mentioning I'm no MD, so people would take this preliminary information with a pinch of salt. I hope nobody took this as "advice", whatever that would mean. If anyone thinks what I said meant that any immunodepressed person can just freely move around without risking anything with this virus, that was absolutely not it. ::)
Which has nothing to do with the WHO... I remember the "debate" we had a while ago about masks and the WHO's advice.
Funny right:
http://www.academie-medecine.fr/communique-de-lacademie-pandemie-de-covid-19-mesures-barrieres-renforcees-pendant-le-confinement-et-en-phase-de-sortie-de-confinement/
(you can get that translated if you're not familiar with french)
English version: http://www.academie-medecine.fr/wp-content/uploads/2020/04/Covid-19-pandemic-enhanced-barrier-measures-during-containment-and-in-the-ex-containment-phase.pdf
(I've read the english doc and IMHO it's not very good english. I apologize on behalf of the Académie de médecine, and suggest using Google translate instead, as it may lead to a better translation. For native speakers, don't hesitate to confirm. ::) )
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Relax, I was teasing... I was musing over your carefully worded but unnecessary disclaimer, which I also frequently do. Unnecessary as it was clearly an opinion in an exchange of opinions. Contrasted with the head of W.H.O. from whom I think an "I'm no M.D." disclaimer is probably more applicable and necessary.
In fact, I found your comment interesting and duly filed in my "he got a point" area in my brain.
Electro Detective:
--- Quote from: james_s on April 24, 2020, 08:34:18 pm ---
--- Quote from: Electro Detective on April 24, 2020, 09:36:46 am ---I'm happy to wait and do the 'I told you so..' thing when we are all bankrupt and destitute, it won't be a long wait btw :clap:
--- End quote ---
Under what circumstances are you going to say "I told you so"?
Do you mean that if it turns out that the social distancing and lockdowns are effective and stop the rapid spreading of the virus and enormous number of deaths then you'll say "I told you so, we didn't need to lock down after all?? :palm:
Do you not believe what is going on in parts of the USA, especially places like New York? Do you think that Australia is fundamentally different and immune to such a thing happening?
Frankly to most of us you sound a lot like this guy:
https://www.syracuse.com/coronavirus/2020/04/ohio-man-dies-of-coronavirus-after-calling-it-a-political-ploy.html
Or this woman:
https://www.lgbtqnation.com/2020/04/texas-woman-claimed-covid-19-media-hoax-can-stopped-faith-days-later-died/
Or countless others like them. Realize that since March Covid has killed more than 4x as many in the US as the flu has throughout the entire season and the number is still rising. What makes the situation different for you? How deep in denial can a person get?
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Nice work :clap: playing on the scaredy cat 'damned if you do/don't' thing.. one of the better debate loop pros huh? ;)
But we both know "there's a sucker born every minute" to keep up stocks
but don't forget the classic:
"You can fool all the people some of the time,
and some of the people all the time,
but you cannot fool ALL the people ALL the time."
Although it's not impossible it seems in 2020 :o
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