EEVblog Electronics Community Forum
General => General Technical Chat => Topic started by: Zucca on June 06, 2018, 10:29:40 am
-
So who will win? I bet Argentina. I think Messi and the others deserves it.
So sad that Italy and Netherland are out... I think my country need at least 8 years to build up a reasonable team again.
Let's see what will happen, I am expecting a lot of surprises.
-
Columbia in a Columbia/Iceland final. :)
-
Columbia in a Columbia/Iceland final. :)
Never heard of the country Columbia :horse:
-
Russia
-
Of course I meant Coulombia; they always draw a Capacity crowd...
Colombia :-+
-
Japan to me won the FIFA World CUP 2018
(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/DhLxXkoV4AAGgFz.jpg)
Respect. I have a lot to learn from them.
A big hug to all the japanese EE here.
-
Not Portugal :'(
I think Belgium, France and Brazil are the biggest contenders, but we shall see.
-
Who cares ...?
-
Russia
Because they are drugging all the other teams. Reverse doping. :-DD
-
Who cares ...?
I agree. However, I feel that way about all professional sports. I think that it is shameful what professional athletes earn to throw/catch/kick a ball around while people who truly make a difference in peoples' lives don't earn a fraction. Add trying for force their politics down our throat--wait, that is only the National Football League. I can't be arsed to watch any professional sports or sports in general. That is, except curling during the winter Olympics. Curling fascinates me for some oddball reason.
-
Who cares ...?
I agree. However, I feel that way about all professional sports. I think that it is shameful what professional athletes earn to throw/catch/kick a ball around while people who truly make a difference in peoples' lives don't earn a fraction. Add trying for force their politics down our throat--wait, that is only the National Football League. I can't be arsed to watch any professional sports or sports in general. That is, except curling during the winter Olympics. Curling fascinates me for some oddball reason.
Yeah you guys are living some weird times over there. And it's creeping over here to europe. At least here in Portugal I haven't seen any craziness, yet.
-
Being Brazilian I am obviously rooting for Brasil but, given the current state of affairs in the country, I am very torn as such championship will only amplify the "panis et circensis" and make people forget the "sea of mud" of corruption there (former president and his staff were arrested since a few months ago but corrupt judges in the supreme court are putting strong pressure to release all of them).
-
Being Brazilian I am obviously rooting for Brasil but, given the current state of affairs in the country, I am very torn as such championship will only amplify the "panis et circensis" and make people forget the "sea of mud" of corruption there (former president and his staff were arrested since a few months ago but corrupt judges in the supreme court are putting strong pressure to release all of them).
Ya the good old "pão e circo" never fails. And it seems that wherever you turn, there's a corrupt person. And I mean stupid corrupt, like they could at least improve the lives of the people while at it. Instead they completely suck them dry and toy with them
-
I agree. However, I feel that way about all professional sports. I think that it is shameful what professional athletes earn to throw/catch/kick a ball around while people who truly make a difference in peoples' lives don't earn a fraction.
I find this so weird.
At least a footballer's performance can be measured and judged relatively objectively. They're paid what they are worth to their employers. When CEOs can run businesses into the ground to be rewarded with golden parachutes and a bunch of board memberships, or when a disgraced politician gets some job at an international organization courtesy of taxpayers I find it infinitely more obnoxious. Professional sports income doesn't phase me, it's too low on the totem pole of excesses. Fix crony-capitalism first, then I might care about the excesses of capitalism.
-
Ya the good old "pão e circo" never fails. And it seems that wherever you turn, there's a corrupt person. And I mean stupid corrupt, like they could at least improve the lives of the people while at it. Instead they completely suck them dry and toy with them
I agree that's a stupid corruption, but with all due respect, that kind of thinking is a stab for me. It's one of the main pillars for latin america populism. "They steal but they do" (I hate that). On the other hand, most people is aware of "panis et circensis" but they need some kind of temporaly escape from reality.
-
I was rooting for some African team.
Many of their players are excellent and play in European teams.
However for some reason, as a national team, they have not been able to capitalize on that experience.
-
I agree. However, I feel that way about all professional sports. I think that it is shameful what professional athletes earn to throw/catch/kick a ball around while people who truly make a difference in peoples' lives don't earn a fraction.
I find this so weird.
At least a footballer's performance can be measured and judged relatively objectively. They're paid what they are worth to their employers. When CEOs can run businesses into the ground to be rewarded with golden parachutes and a bunch of board memberships, or when a disgraced politician gets some job at an international organization courtesy of taxpayers I find it infinitely more obnoxious. Professional sports income doesn't phase me, it's too low on the totem pole of excesses. Fix crony-capitalism first, then I might care about the excesses of capitalism.
This can be extended to artists, musicians, etc. I tend to look at this differently: nobody pays someone more than what they can bring in return.
To me this happens because people nowadays put a lot of value in their emotions. This may have been provoked by a flawed system (if people were trained or conditioned to think like that) or it naturally occurred as people meet their bare necessities in life and become more attracted to subjective traits.
-
France
-
I was rooting for some African team.
I like Nigeria very much. I hope that no countrymen is reading this right now. They are excellent athletes and they make us run like hell.
I always wonder what will happen when at least a significant percent of people in USA, China, Russia or India begins to play football and it becomes a very mature business there. I think that demography will define the cup in the future.
-
I enjoyed watching Nigeria and Senegal.
I was struck by how much narrower the gap is between the so-called "best" and "worst" teams in the Group Stages, compared to, say, 20 years ago.
-
I was struck by how much narrower the gap is between the so-called "best" and "worst" teams in the Group Stages, compared to, say, 20 years ago.
Yes, I would call it globalization.
-
nobody pays someone more than what they can bring in return.
Only in a transparent market.
There is almost no room for quid pro quo based on friends, family, class, ethnic or religious ties in professional sports. In large companies and politics so much more.
-
Unfortunately, the team with the most possibilities, because it is the one that has proven to be the most powerful, is that of France. I say unfortunately, because I have never liked France, although Holland is worse for its extremely hard game.
The final will probably be France-Brazil or France-Croatia. Uruguay could have chances, but with Cavani injured, it is unlikely that they will reach the final.
I would have liked to see Germany in the final, and of course Spain too, but both have offered very poor results, they will need to completely renew their team.
-
Hard play ? Please elaborate. We play for keeps which each decent team should do.
Some players are acting clowns, dropping screaming to the ground while there was even no or minimal contact, Neymar comes to mind, those are the worst kind of soccerplayers.
-
France
-
Unfortunately, the team with the most possibilities, because it is the one that has proven to be the most powerful, is that of France. I say unfortunately, because I have never liked France, although Holland is worse for its extremely hard game.
The final will probably be France-Brazil or France-Croatia. Uruguay could have chances, but with Cavani injured, it is unlikely that they will reach the final.
I would have liked to see Germany in the final, and of course Spain too, but both have offered very poor results, they will need to completely renew their team.
Can't be a France-Brazil final as they are on the same side of bracket. Very likely for the semi-final though
-
Whoever wins the Brazil - Belgium game...
-
Ya the good old "pão e circo" never fails. And it seems that wherever you turn, there's a corrupt person. And I mean stupid corrupt, like they could at least improve the lives of the people while at it. Instead they completely suck them dry and toy with them
I agree that's a stupid corruption, but with all due respect, that kind of thinking is a stab for me. It's one of the main pillars for latin america populism. "They steal but they do". On the other hand, most people is aware of "panis et circensis" but they need some kind of temporaly escape from reality.
Yes I totally get where you're coming from. The system seems so powerful and omnipotent that looks unbreakable, so one can only find solace in entertainment.
I live in Portugal but I'm actually Cape verdean, and although Cape Verde is not "very corrupt" because we don't have natural resources, I can still watch shameless and disgraceful displays of corruption in many neighbor countries and it's just like you said.
-
After today I'm getting the vibe that France will be the winner. Let's see how Brasil will fare against Belgium
-
I agree. However, I feel that way about all professional sports. I think that it is shameful what professional athletes earn to throw/catch/kick a ball around while people who truly make a difference in peoples' lives don't earn a fraction.
I find this so weird.
At least a footballer's performance can be measured and judged relatively objectively. They're paid what they are worth to their employers. When CEOs can run businesses into the ground to be rewarded with golden parachutes and a bunch of board memberships, or when a disgraced politician gets some job at an international organization courtesy of taxpayers I find it infinitely more obnoxious. Professional sports income doesn't phase me, it's too low on the totem pole of excesses. Fix crony-capitalism first, then I might care about the excesses of capitalism.
This can be extended to artists, musicians, etc. I tend to look at this differently: nobody pays someone more than what they can bring in return.
To me this happens because people nowadays put a lot of value in their emotions. This may have been provoked by a flawed system (if people were trained or conditioned to think like that) or it naturally occurred as people meet their bare necessities in life and become more attracted to subjective traits.
I find football fanatics funny. Things they say like 'my team'. It isn't your team, you don't own it. Or 'we did'. You did nothing-you are not part of the team, they are siphoning your time and hard earned disposable income. There is also a big difference between spending spending a few bucks for downloads from iTunes that I own forever and paying $100 plus for a seat at a football game that lasts a couple of hours. I speak with my wallet. I don't watch professional sports, don't go to games and I don't watch 'network' television. I have no sports memorabilia-with an embarrassing exception. My mother-in-law gave me a NASCAR Barbie in the original package because she saw that part of my displayed die-cast car collection was NASCAR. |O
The salaries that CEOs get are also shameful. Those in the trenches that make things happen are the ones who should be earning real money, not the executive board. Granted, they provide the direction-good or bad but all the lowly peons (like me) who work their butts off behind the scenes or are the face of the company to the customers and keeping them happy should be getting a bigger slice of the pie. No one should have a Golden Parachute, especially if they are a screw up.
-
Hey, I'm replying to this thread to let you all know I am completely uninterested by it and here's why in twelve sentences.
-
I think Sweden will beat England. England struggled in their last game.
As to iTunes, hard to imagine a more stupid and imbecilic piece of software.
-
The salaries that CEOs get are also shameful. Those in the trenches that make things happen are the ones who should be earning real money, not the executive board. Granted, they provide the direction-good or bad but all the lowly peons (like me) who work their butts off behind the scenes or are the face of the company to the customers and keeping them happy should be getting a bigger slice of the pie. No one should have a Golden Parachute, especially if they are a screw up.
A few years ago I would agree with you, but now not so much. I had the opportunity to work with a massive contract manufacturer (a believe they're the second largest behind foxconn) and man, the schedule and responsibility that the person in charge of our product was insane! (we were negotiating with them to mass produce a product). He didn't get any break, not even on lunch hours! And he was just the manager the project. The CEO's schedule is orders of magnitude worst than this and not to mention that they will take the fall whenever things go wrong. I do agree with you that some CEO's salaries doesn't correlate with their efforts on the company in terms of decisions but for the majority is not that unreasonable.
-
Hey, I'm replying to this thread to let you all know I am completely uninterested by it and here's why in twelve sentences.
Loool awesome ;D
-
Of course I meant Coulombia; they always draw a Capacity crowd...
Colombia :-+
They played really dirty though, so they deserved to lose. Had they played more cleanly, they might have won, since they wouldn't have conceded a penalty, but it still might have ended up in a shoot-out, as there wouldn't have been the extra stoppage time, in which they scored a goal.
Football is one of the only sports I can watch, without falling asleep. I would probably take more interest in it, if it wasn't for the big egos and foul play, which is disgusting.
I think Sweden will beat England. England struggled in their last game.
I agree, but I'm glad England got so far. They've been really shit for a long time. England should perform respectably in international sporting events.
-
England
-
I don't really know much about this 'FIFA' lark, but it sounds like the sort of thing that we should have a go at winning. I understand we invented it or something.
It sounds like the sort of thing that would be jolly good for national pride. :) ;)
EDIT: Oh, good show!
-
Did not even know it was on until a few days ago.
People in London give me strange looks when I state to not following football.
My DNA must be odd.
-
I have this feeling, that Russia is going to win this one.
But i am a terrible forecaster.
-
Russia
Hey, I wasn't aware that "Russia Today" has an official account on this forum.
I thought you guys do broadcasts only? :P
-
Whoever wins the Brazil - Belgium game...
I think I'll just stick to this 8)
-
I've just been watching the Russia vs Croatia game. I hope Russia don't win because I don't want England to have to play them and the fans get beaten up by their hooligans!
-
I agree. However, I feel that way about all professional sports. I think that it is shameful what professional athletes earn to throw/catch/kick a ball around while people who truly make a difference in peoples' lives don't earn a fraction.
I find this so weird.
At least a footballer's performance can be measured and judged relatively objectively. They're paid what they are worth to their employers. When CEOs can run businesses into the ground to be rewarded with golden parachutes and a bunch of board memberships, or when a disgraced politician gets some job at an international organization courtesy of taxpayers I find it infinitely more obnoxious. Professional sports income doesn't phase me, it's too low on the totem pole of excesses. Fix crony-capitalism first, then I might care about the excesses of capitalism.
This can be extended to artists, musicians, etc. I tend to look at this differently: nobody pays someone more than what they can bring in return.
To me this happens because people nowadays put a lot of value in their emotions. This may have been provoked by a flawed system (if people were trained or conditioned to think like that) or it naturally occurred as people meet their bare necessities in life and become more attracted to subjective traits.
I find football fanatics funny. Things they say like 'my team'. It isn't your team, you don't own it. Or 'we did'. You did nothing-you are not part of the team, they are siphoning your time and hard earned disposable income.
I agree with you there, but you know this does not happen only with football, right?
https://youtu.be/LFicqJFz5R4
The salaries that CEOs get are also shameful. Those in the trenches that make things happen are the ones who should be earning real money, not the executive board. especially if they are a screw up.
I suspect you have never worked or interacted with a serious/honest C-level executive. I have interacted in a few projects with some good ones and I can tell these guys work ungodly hours to keep their companies or divisions running.
-
Add me to the don't care list. I was brought up in the UK, I've spent my working life traveling the world and now I'm living in Germany. I have a part French part Belgian girlfriend and right now I'm working part time for a Dutch company.
Loyalties can be complicated.
-
Interesting the 4 strongest teams in the world are all from Europe. 3 small countries, which prove the team work is much more important than the single players.
I would like Croatia to win just because it would be a huge surprise, and people there would be very drunk for months.
-
Belgium would also be a surprise, never won a WC either.
Would be hard to swallow for us dutch though, all those years so close and now Belgium will take it actually home.
I do wish it for them though.
That is how sports is, some years you have decent, some years good and some years excellent players and team.
So Croatia or Belgium would be nice, still I think France will win this time the cup.
-
I think Sweden will beat England. England struggled in their last game.
As to iTunes, hard to imagine a more stupid and imbecilic piece of software.
They lost rightly so. Yes anything Apple is crap.
-
Croatia...... PLEASE!
-
Croatia...... PLEASE!
Croatia had an amazing game today! They are definitely my pick to win it all. It will be a great game on Sunday.
-
Croatia...... PLEASE!
Croatia had an amazing game today! They are definitely my pick to win it all. It will be a great game on Sunday.
I agree. Although England started well, they played poorly in the second half. It was like the teams swapped round.
I hope Croatia win and the French don't win again. ;)
-
It should have been Belgium-Croatia but since Belgium is out, I hope Croatia takes the cup.
Such a small country, only 4 million people, so much soccer talent, go for it.
-
It should have been Belgium-Croatia but since Belgium is out, I hope Croatia takes the cup.
Such a small country, only 4 million people, so much soccer talent, go for it.
There's lots of talent in England and many other countries too. The problem has always been nurturing it and building a decent team who work well together.
I wish them luck.
-
There's lots of talent in England and many other countries too. The problem has always been nurturing it and building a decent team who work well together.
You have individual talent and you have talented teams. We have seen that some of the best players in the world can't lift a further mediocre team to the finals.
Sometimes I think that talent brings expectations that lay a burden on the team ;)
The croatians were physically already tired from the previous matches still they kept on going and going.
I hope they recuperate well before the final otherwise it is not a fair match. They already lost 1 day to France and some of their players were and are not fit.
-
Croatia has a good team with Modric and Rakitic, but France has a more powerful team with a spectacular and very fast Mbappe. I would like Croatia to win, out of sympathy, but France will win.
The English, it was clear from the beginning, that they would not get very far, I think they only won the world cup once in 1966. They invented football, but internationally they have never excelled.
The surprise is given by Croatia, which has never achieved anything in world football. I like Modric a lot, he's a very skilled player, Rakitic also attracts attention, he has a very powerful and accurate shot.
It is going to be a very entertaining and exciting final, unless one of the two teams firmly imposes on the other, from the beginning.
-
France has a more powerful team with a spectacular and very fast Mbappe.
It sure looked like that in the first games but against Belgium he shined through absence, haven't seen anything spectacular that evening from him, on the contrary at the end he acted like the worst kind of soccer player.
-
Mbappe
Like Messi, CR7, Nemair and others.
How can you be so sure?
France on paper is the favorite hands down, but do you remember who won the UEFA Euro 2004? That´s the beauty of soccer.
This was the World cup of small teams and countries, where team work is much important than money and VIP overpaid players.
Italy and the others bigs should learn a lot from what happened so far, even from the defeated Japan there is a lot to learn.
BTW: I tried to buy the Croatia shirt on Amazon.de over 60€ and 2 months delivery :wtf:
-
It sure looked like that in the first games but against Belgium he shined through absence, haven't seen anything spectacular that evening from him
Not 100% true:
(https://pbs.twimg.com/tweet_video_thumb/DhxF_KYUEAACoGm?format=jpg&name=small)
https://www.sbnation.com/soccer/2018/7/10/17555914/world-cup-kylian-mbappe-pass-olivier-giroud-france (https://www.sbnation.com/soccer/2018/7/10/17555914/world-cup-kylian-mbappe-pass-olivier-giroud-france)
he acted like the worst kind of soccer player
Now this is 110% true, disgusting and an insult to soccer. Like Neimar his brother. They both (and many others soccer players) should play rugby for two year and learn what does it means to be injuried.
-
My prediction: France 1-1 Croatia, Croatia will win 3-2 on penalties ;D
-
Not 100% true:
Ofcourse but just saying sometimes a player shines in a match and sometimes they are a shadow. In that match overall I haven't seen much of him, but that could also be a compliment for the Belgian defenders. However as the Belgian goaly said in an interview: "strange tacktick having the strikers play 30m in front of their own goaly ;)
-
I hope and expect that the team of Croatia will show another spectacular game on Sunday, to win the championship.
Ante Rebic plays on "my" team Eintracht Frankfurt (no pun intended 8)) and he has literally shot the famous Bayern Munich in the recent German Cup match, made 2 beautiful goals for victory.
Eintracht Frankfurt is a mediocre, but obviously underestimated team here in the German Bundesliga.. so some similarity...
And I like the good and honest sod football, for which Croatia is a synonym.
Frank
-
Damn, I have to agree with Dr. Frank even if he is not talking about 3458a or 34401a.
-
I could ............... newspaper.
Que? Most offtopic post ever.
-
Sorry Kjelt,
I will take it out, it was sort of soccer related though.
-
Oh yes, Croatia, lets see....
- goalie got a warning from FIFA for displaying a personal message
- player got a warning from FIFA for making a political statement
- coach team member got fined by FIFA $15,000 ,banned from the tournament and sent home for making a political statement
- fined $70,000 by FIFA for violation of sponsorship rules
- fined $13,000 by FIFA for fans offensive behaviour
- got a warning from FIFA for displaying a fascist banner
Did i forget anything? Does not seem to be the most disciplined contender but rather bunch of anarchists. Thanks for contributing $ 100,000 to FIFA though.
-
Politics aside .... the question is: Can they play?
Nothing in that list directly relates to their abilities on the field.
-
Oh yes, Croatia, lets see....
- goalie got a warning from FIFA for displaying a personal message
- player got a warning from FIFA for making a political statement
- coach team member got fined by FIFA $15,000 ,banned from the tournament and sent home for making a political statement
- fined $70,000 by FIFA for violation of sponsorship rules
- fined $13,000 by FIFA for fans offensive behaviour
- got a warning from FIFA for displaying a fascist banner
Did i forget anything? Does not seem to be the most disciplined contender but rather bunch of anarchists. Thanks for contributing $ 100,000 to FIFA though.
I will not comment on Croatia's offenses, but apparently you do not realize FIFA is a corrupt organization that sets rules to enable them to fine players, coaches, and teams to pad their own wallets. How can you be happy about FIFA getting fine money?!? Absolutely mental.
-
Does not seem to be the most disciplined contender but rather bunch of anarchists. Thanks for contributing $ 100,000 to FIFA though.
Switzerland got fined as well, and everyone knows that that country is a cesspool of anarchy... ;)
-
I enjoyed the England Croatia match, nice to see two professional teams playing, no fouling or rolling around on floor. England didn't have the pace in the second half and the Croatian team are older and wiser. I want to see Croatia beat France.
-
And France won.
-
Yup the team that really played soccer in the first half was punished by the schwalbe from Griessmann and a discutable penalty. Oh well at least the french started playing halfway the second half instead of their shamefull time consumption in the previous match.
-
that's life
-
As one sports commentator once remarked: "Unjust decisions are part of football's allure"
noun: allure;
1. the quality of being powerfully and mysteriously attractive or fascinating.
-
The referee did not do anything extaordinary awarding the penalty. I watched the most if not all of the matches and penalties were given for much less than this one.
-
The referee did not do anything extaordinary awarding the penalty. I watched the most if not all of the matches and penalties were given for much less than this one.
1 it was not intentional
2 there was no advantage to be gained, there was no french player behind the guy, even if he has not been there and the ball went further there was no opportunity.
3 the acting VAR would not have given the penalty he said in an interview, but it was a difficult decision.
The same VAR could not intervene with schwalbe resulting in the free kick that caused the first goal, he found that terrible but those are the rules.
Dutch only:
https://nos.nl/wk2018/artikel/2241809-makkelie-over-wk-finale-ik-denk-dat-ik-die-strafschop-niet-gegeven-had.html