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edavid:

--- Quote from: IanB on July 04, 2017, 03:26:46 am ---
--- Quote from: edavid on July 03, 2017, 10:43:52 pm ---in the US, an HOA full of picky people can be a very good thing for protecting the value of your property.

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Yes, that's the story realtor's tell, but the reality is different. Most people are only suckered into an HOA once. When they move they will  try very hard never to be in an HOA again. HOA's take away your freedoms and limit what you can do (e.g. prevent you from parking in your driveway, or hanging washing out to dry, or erecting a TV antenna). Restrictive covenants like that can only devalue a property, never increase the value of it.

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Why would OP want to do any of those things, or want the neighbors to be able to do any of those things?  They all make the neighborhood look trashy.
IanB:

--- Quote from: edavid on July 04, 2017, 04:12:05 am ---Why would OP want to do any of those things, or want the neighbors to be able to do any of those things?  They all make the neighborhood look trashy.

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Because your driveway is your property. Parking a car on it is normal. Everyone does it.

Because tumble driers are wasteful of energy and damage clothes. (Every time you remove lint from the lint filter, your clothes got a bit thinner, a bit more threadbare.)

Because you might want to watch TV without being forced to pay for cable?

When people care more about their neighbors and less about getting on with their own lives, you know you are living in America.
WastelandTek:

--- Quote from: edavid on July 04, 2017, 04:12:05 am ---

Why would OP want to do any of those things, or want the neighbors to be able to do any of those things?  They all make the neighborhood look trashy.

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found the guy I don't want to be in an HOA with
gildasd:

--- Quote from: edavid on July 04, 2017, 04:12:05 am ---
--- Quote from: IanB on July 04, 2017, 03:26:46 am ---
--- Quote from: edavid on July 03, 2017, 10:43:52 pm ---in the US, an HOA full of picky people can be a very good thing for protecting the value of your property.

--- End quote ---

Yes, that's the story realtor's tell, but the reality is different. Most people are only suckered into an HOA once. When they move they will  try very hard never to be in an HOA again. HOA's take away your freedoms and limit what you can do (e.g. prevent you from parking in your driveway, or hanging washing out to dry, or erecting a TV antenna). Restrictive covenants like that can only devalue a property, never increase the value of it.

--- End quote ---

Why would OP want to do any of those things, or want the neighbors to be able to do any of those things?  They all make the neighborhood look trashy.

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Stuff people do even in richest neighbourhoods here.
Only elected government does rules, not private liberty sucking HOA.
Weird things that are considered trashy...
For me, a place where all the houses and yards are uniform reeks of lower income working class just able to comply with the minimas.
nctnico:

--- Quote from: blueskull on July 04, 2017, 03:30:55 am ---
--- Quote from: IanB on July 04, 2017, 03:26:46 am ---Yes, that's the story realtor's tell, but the reality is different. Most people are only suckered into an HOA once. When they move they will  try very hard never to be in an HOA again. HOA's take away your freedoms and limit what you can do (e.g. prevent you from parking in your driveway, or hanging washing out to dry, or erecting a TV antenna). Restrictive covenants like that can only devalue a property, never increase the value of it.

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For densely packed townhouses, without HOA neighbor wars will never stop AFAIK.

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In the NL it isn't a problem. Technically my home is part of a building with 12 or so (didn't count exactly) other homes but (as usual) there is no HOA. Practically I only have to deal with 2 neighbours. If you stay reasonable everything can be worked out. I also assume each town has zoning rules and rules which say what is acceptable or not (like repairing cars on the street).
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