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[Analog Kid]

Hood???

Hood connector.

And what is that? Google brings up pages and pages of duct connectors.
Please don't assume that everyone here knows terms that you use.

[m k]

Please don't assume that everyone here knows terms that you use.

Do you?

[Analog Kid]

Please don't assume that everyone here knows terms that you use.

Do you?

No I don't, hence my question.
Sheesh.

[m k]

So the thing is settled, within few replies and even almost less words.

[Analog Kid]

So the thing is settled, within few replies and even almost less words.

No it isn't:
What the actual fuck is a "hood connector"?

[CatalinaWOW]

If anyone has objective evidence that wire nuts are terrible, dangerous, junk I would certainly be interested.

I am willing to stipulate that some wire nuts are terrible.  I will also agree that it may be easier to improperly install them than Wago style connectors in some applications.  But condemning all wire nut applications as dangerous garbage is wrong as far as I can tell.  There are bad knockoffs of Wago's, and lever and spring contact connectors that aren't even as good as the bad Wago knockoffs.  But I would never generalize and say that Wago style connectors are terrible based on that.

In a properly installed (and properly built) wire nut there is a spring which can adapt if there is cold flow, though I was unaware that cold flow is a serious issue for copper wires.  I haven't seen it in very old screw terminals.  And there is some measured data suggesting that the resistance of a wire nut joint is lower than a Wago joint, meaning there is less heating in sustained overcurrent situations.  Now  in a proper installation there should never be sustained overcurrent because of circuit breakers and other protective devices, but since safety is all about protection on top of protection for any conceivable corner case this actually should matter.  And in a similar vein, the conical spring inside a wire nut will maintain contact up to temperatures far higher than the failure temperature of a Wago body.  You can argue both sides of the coin as to whether that is a safety benefit or drawback.

Wagos are more forgiving of bad technique in installation, but there is no connector so easy that some idiots won't foul it up. 

I personally think that either type is suitable if local code allows it and if used properly.  And even very good wire nuts are less expensive than Wagos.

[Monkeh]

And in a similar vein, the conical spring inside a wire nut will maintain contact up to temperatures far higher than the failure temperature of a Wago body.

The 'body' of a Wago plays no part at all in the connection. The spring does all the work.

[PlainName]

I will also agree that it may be easier to improperly install them than Wago style connectors in some applications.

Wouldn't it make sense to have connectors that idiots find hard to get wrong rather than connectors that the skilled can get very right? Particularly those that an idiot might think is easy to use.

[m k]

So the thing is settled, within few replies and even almost less words.

No it isn't:
What the actual fuck is a "hood connector"?

Sorry, I thought it's obvious.
It's 'huppuliitin' 'huppu'=hood 'liitin'=connector.

On the other hand,
https://verkkokauppa.turunkonekeskus.fi/tyokalut-ja-tarvikkeet/sahkotarvikkeet-ja-valaisimet/johtokelat-jatkojohdot/119258-huppuliitin-wago-012-40mm2-5-os-5kpl

[CatalinaWOW]

I will also agree that it may be easier to improperly install them than Wago style connectors in some applications.

Wouldn't it make sense to have connectors that idiots find hard to get wrong rather than connectors that the skilled can get very right? Particularly those that an idiot might think is easy to use.

I don't disagree with this.  I only disagree with saying that any other connector approach is useless, junk trash.  I like Wago.  But use both types and find that each has places where they work better.

[Analog Kid]

So the thing is settled, within few replies and even almost less words.

No it isn't:
What the actual fuck is a "hood connector"?

Sorry, I thought it's obvious.

To you, perhaps.

It's 'huppuliitin' 'huppu'=hood 'liitin'=connector.

On the other hand,
https://verkkokauppa.turunkonekeskus.fi/tyokalut-ja-tarvikkeet/sahkotarvikkeet-ja-valaisimet/johtokelat-jatkojohdot/119258-huppuliitin-wago-012-40mm2-5-os-5kpl

Great; Finnish terms and a web page in Finnish.
Looks like a plastic dealy-bobber that one shoves wires into. This is better than wire nuts?
Reminds me of backstabbed outlets, which I avoid like the plague.

[themadhippy]

Reminds me of backstabbed outlets

Nope,those orange thingys are levers ya lift up to insert the wire,push down to lock

[m k]

So the thing is settled, within few replies and even almost less words.

No it isn't:
What the actual fuck is a "hood connector"?

Sorry, I thought it's obvious.

To you, perhaps.

I thought it's also obvious that you'll put it through a translator.

[Xena E]

I will also agree that it may be easier to improperly install them than Wago style connectors in some applications.

Wouldn't it make sense to have connectors that idiots find hard to get wrong rather than connectors that the skilled can get very right? Particularly those that an idiot might think is easy to use.

Unfortunately idiots dont realise their limitations.

They certainly shouldn't be messing with electrical work.

X

[AVGresponding]

So the thing is settled, within few replies and even almost less words.

No it isn't:
What the actual fuck is a "hood connector"?

Sorry, I thought it's obvious.

To you, perhaps.

I thought it's also obvious that you'll put it through a translator.

They're "American", and therefore expect the rest of the world to speak their version of English.

WRC pace notes in Finnish, have moments of genuine hilarity for English speakers.
Nevertheless, The Hydraulic Press Channel, Beyond The Press, and Pommijätkät are three of my favourite YT channels.

[AVGresponding]

I will also agree that it may be easier to improperly install them than Wago style connectors in some applications.

Wouldn't it make sense to have connectors that idiots find hard to get wrong rather than connectors that the skilled can get very right? Particularly those that an idiot might think is easy to use.

Unfortunately idiots dont realise their limitations.

They certainly shouldn't be messing with electrical work.

X

They shouldn't, but...

[PlainName]

What the actual fuck is a "hood connector"?

Sorry, I thought it's obvious.

To you, perhaps.

I thought it's also obvious that you'll put it through a translator.

I put it through Google Translate and got... "hood connector".

So I did a search on it and got lots of electrical connector cases, none of which looked even remotely like a Wago - had you not given a URL to a page with a photo I'd still be none the wiser.

[CatalinaWOW]

I will also agree that it may be easier to improperly install them than Wago style connectors in some applications.

Wouldn't it make sense to have connectors that idiots find hard to get wrong rather than connectors that the skilled can get very right? Particularly those that an idiot might think is easy to use.

Unfortunately idiots dont realise their limitations.

They certainly shouldn't be messing with electrical work.

X

They shouldn't, but...

I find humor in the fact that wire nuts are a thing in North America where for the most part anyone can legally do their own electrical work ( not for hire), while tha strongest advocates for Wago live in areas where you must be a licensed electrician to do any electrical work.  Apparently there isn't much belief that licensing screens out the idiots.

[Xena E]

I will also agree that it may be easier to improperly install them than Wago style connectors in some applications.

Wouldn't it make sense to have connectors that idiots find hard to get wrong rather than connectors that the skilled can get very right? Particularly those that an idiot might think is easy to use.

Unfortunately idiots dont realise their limitations.

They certainly shouldn't be messing with electrical work.

X

They shouldn't, but...

I find humor in the fact that wire nuts are a thing in North America where for the most part anyone can legally do their own electrical work ( not for hire), while tha strongest advocates for Wago live in areas where you must be a licensed electrician to do any electrical work.  Apparently there isn't much belief that licensing screens out the idiots.

Idiots are a worldwide phenomenon, and do not consider themselves subject to legislation.

There are also cultural perceptions of danger.

X

[Analog Kid]

They're "American", and therefore expect the rest of the world to speak their version of English.

What the fuck are you talking about? They posted stuff in Finnish, which, if I remember corrrectly, is not a version of English.

[m k]

Sorry, my bad, it's too complicated.
Search engine has correct answers, simply because its a marketed product.
But from translator I got a 'bonnet connector', I didn't understand first what hood connector as a result meant.

For "bonnet" I got a correct translation, but search engines had something else.
For correct translation of "hood connector" you must do both words separately.
For "hood" the translation is general and correct, bonnet is the second alternative.
Nowadays engine cover is also something else.
For "connector" the translation is correct without alternatives.

Then searching those two translated words together you get 'wire nuts.'
The link, second result from earlier search, is named as 'wire nut' but the actual product is Wago.
So Wago is not a 'wire nut' here, the link has a wrong name, hence the "on the other hand" before the earlier link.

[PlainName]

from translator I got a 'bonnet connector'

This reminds me of the thread about Chinese manuals and their strange sayings. 

[AVGresponding]

They're "American", and therefore expect the rest of the world to speak their version of English.

What the fuck are you talking about? They posted stuff in Finnish, which, if I remember corrrectly, is not a version of English.

They (m k) normally translate, for our convenience, from their own language. On this one occasion they did not, because they were uncertain of the results, and left the original text, for you to translate. The fact that you apparently regarded this as an onerous task should be a surprise to no-one; it's a common attitude of English speakers, including the US branch.

I included the italicised emphasis in the original quote to highlight the tendency of US English speakers to regard themselves as "true English" speakers, despite facts being to the contrary.

I'd appreciate it if you could show a bit more respect in your dialogue; swearing has its place and its uses, but that isn't one of them.

[watchmaker]

Many people from the USA have not travelled out of country and have a restricted world view.  When many DO travel they take a bubble with them that enables them to believe USA "rules" apply.

When I was in Switz for a year of watch training, my wife and I did visit Paris.  We were appalled and embarrassed by the behavior of a class trip from the USA on the Eiffle Tower elevator. So much so I scolded them (to no effect of course).

Personally, I really liked knowing what was expected of me and what I could expect from others (LOVED getting educated at the Swiss Post office).

While I understand some of the many causes why people lash out, (from dehydration to medications and such), I do think it is important that norm violations be called out or this forum can devolve into "just another troll habitat"

[TimFox]

When my wife and I first travelled to Europe, we were embarrassed by hearing loud Americans saying foolish things.
Then, we noticed other nationalities speaking loudly, as well.
Finally, we realized that there were also civil Americans who were not loud (similar to the two of us), but they were not so noticeable as the loud visitors.