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When my wife and I first travelled to Europe, we were embarrassed by hearing loud Americans saying foolish things.
Then, we noticed other nationalities speaking loudly, as well.
Finally, we realized that there were also civil Americans who were not loud (similar to the two of us), but they were not so noticeable as the loud visitors.



Yeah the behaviour isn't unique, but my observation is that the (general) demographic it applies to varies a bit from nationality to nationality.
I've no doubt you have differences from state to state; we have our own regional variations
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When my wife and I first travelled to Europe, we were embarrassed by hearing loud Americans saying foolish things.
Then, we noticed other nationalities speaking loudly, as well.
Finally, we realized that there were also civil Americans who were not loud (similar to the two of us), but they were not so noticeable as the loud visitors.
Obnoxiousness is a lot more obvious when you can understand the language being spoken. So, loud Americans roaming the parts of the world where English speaking is commonplace appear extra obnoxious. However, I have noticed an odd thing which seems to be specific to US citizens. The US more than any other country is a country of immigrants. A huge part of the population still have family in other parts of the world they have contact with. Yet, huge numbers of Americans seem to think the whole world should work the way their own town does, and are affronted when it don't.
 

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When my wife and I first travelled to Europe, we were embarrassed by hearing loud Americans saying foolish things.
Then, we noticed other nationalities speaking loudly, as well.
Finally, we realized that there were also civil Americans who were not loud (similar to the two of us), but they were not so noticeable as the loud visitors.
Obnoxiousness is a lot more obvious when you can understand the language being spoken. So, loud Americans roaming the parts of the world where English speaking is commonplace appear extra obnoxious. However, I have noticed an odd thing which seems to be specific to US citizens. The US more than any other country is a country of immigrants. A huge part of the population still have family in other parts of the world they have contact with. Yet, huge numbers of Americans seem to think the whole world should work the way their own town does, and are affronted when it don't.

I have found that stereotypes of Americans are very popular.
 

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I have found that stereotypes of Americans are very popular.
That's paranoia. Stereotypes of every group are very popular. Have you seen some of the studies about whether stereotypes tend to be accurate, or just a prejudice? A huge number of stereotypes turn out to be very supportable from real world evidence.
 

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No, it was a statement of fact.  Paranoia would be if I contended that the rest of you were conspiring against us.
 

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Sorry, I thought it's obvious.
To you, perhaps.

Don't worry - I usually also struggle to understand what m k is saying ;D

Wire nuts were never very popular in Finland so we don't have any established colloquial name for them. Most people would call anything with wires entering from one side a "huppuliitin" which m k then directly translated into English so it makes very little sense especially in this context because it could have meant Wago or a screw terminal connector as well. If you do a simple Google image search for "huppuliitin" you will notice all three connectors discussed recently in this thread.


And clearly, if wire nuts were so disastrously bad as some people here make them sound like, simple market evolution would have eradicated them a long time ago. Clearly they do their job safely 99.99% of the time. There have been worse things, like aluminum wiring in domestic use.

The best thing in Wago is ease of use and compact size.
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The best thing in Wago is ease of use and compact size.

I've had doubts, but then the actual manufacturer has also been in doubt.

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(plus lesser brands from the work shop of the world)
 

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Quote from: Siwastaja

The best thing in Wago is ease of use and compact size.
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Context is everything.  Ease of use Wago usually but not always wins.  Reuse the medal goes to to Wago even more often.

Compact size is more an opinion than fact.  Wire nut is smaller for multi wire connections.  And wire nut is comparable even for a two wire connection.  Of course the ease of use advantage of Wago grows as wire count increases.  A five wire connection is challenging with a wire nut even when access is good.
 

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Of course the ease of use advantage of Wago grows as wire count increases.  A five wire connection is challenging with a wire nut even when access is good.

Let me then add one advantage: simplicity of adding more wires later on. As long as you choose wide enough Wago early on (4- or 5-position even if you initially think 3 is probably enough). No need to remove and re-strip wires, just plug the new one in.

But sure, clearly wire nuts work just fine, and where they are used, sparkies are used to them and are probably pretty efficient working with them.

It sometimes amazes me how many connections can be stuffed in a relative small junction box; wire nuts or Wagos.
 

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Of course the ease of use advantage of Wago grows as wire count increases.  A five wire connection is challenging with a wire nut even when access is good.

Let me then add one advantage: simplicity of adding more wires later on. As long as you choose wide enough Wago early on (4- or 5-position even if you initially think 3 is probably enough). No need to remove and re-strip wires, just plug the new one in.

Or just change the Wago, which takes seconds and does no harm to the conductors.

If Americans had requirements for testing things, they'd soon realise why people stopped using wire nuts everywhere else.
 
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One  adavantage of wagos is the purpose built  enclosures for them, cable grip built in, a cunning fixing system, and small enough to stuff  into most downlight holes
 

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I have found that stereotypes of Americans are very popular.
That's paranoia. Stereotypes of every group are very popular. Have you seen some of the studies about whether stereotypes tend to be accurate, or just a prejudice? A huge number of stereotypes turn out to be very supportable from real world evidence.

Ummmm, maybe not.
The "ugly American" is still the template for the boorish, insensitive, provincial world traveler who expects everything abroad to be just like it is "at home".

"Where the hell is the McDonald's?"
 

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the other benefit is that if you use wire nuts, in addition to anything with cold welding on edges, is that it has a substantial oxide defeating capability, meaning it might still work if you fail to catch corrosion, always a benefit when you have substandard workmen doing under the bare minimum in terms of inventory inspection. And it can get through grime too.

I have seen it work when the parts had gnarly corrosion.
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No, it was a statement of fact.  Paranoia would be if I contended that the rest of you were conspiring against us.
If you did, you might have a future in politics! :D
 

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I have found that stereotypes of Americans are very popular.
That's paranoia. Stereotypes of every group are very popular. Have you seen some of the studies about whether stereotypes tend to be accurate, or just a prejudice? A huge number of stereotypes turn out to be very supportable from real world evidence.

Ummmm, maybe not.
The "ugly American" is still the template for the boorish, insensitive, provincial world traveler who expects everything abroad to be just like it is "at home".

"Where the hell is the McDonald's?"

In the original novel, the “ugly American” is actually a sympathetic character, well-liked by the locals, who got that nickname because of his physical appearance (uglier than a Hollywood actor).
 

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Ok, the thread is faaaaar offtopic anyway, so i won't hesitate to ask for clarification.
What novel do you mean? Maybe i missed something, but no one mentioned a novel?
 

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Ok, the thread is faaaaar offtopic anyway, so i won't hesitate to ask for clarification.
What novel do you mean? Maybe i missed something, but no one mentioned a novel?
Google "The Ugly American".
 
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A famous 1958 political novel about American diplomacy by Lederer and Burdick.
The book’s title became an epithet in common usage.
 
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There is much truth about the ugly American epithet.  We have in many ways taken over the role played by the English in the days of empire.  But cultural myopia and loud, obnoxious tourists are not an American monopoly. 

I am a native of the American southwest and grew up in blue jeans, straw hats, pearl snap button shirts and on formal occasions string ties.  On a recent trip through the monument valley my wife and I stayed in the same hotel as a German tour group.  Noisy, complaining about the services and all that.  And I understand German imperfectly, but it was clear that they were sure I understood none.  I must be clear that not all members of the group shared this behavior, but it was a very large minority. 

On a business visit to Europe I spent some time in Vienna.  There the Italians tourists stood out  with the boorish behavior.

Americans may have more than it's share of travel boors (or may just have the normal complement) but it shares with Empire Era England the power and wealth that makes it more disagreeable.
 

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 We have seen similar things, traveling in either the US or Europe, but it took me a while to realize that only the noisy and boorish fraction of the different groups made itself obvious.
There are many stories of people complaining in their native language who were unaware that others around them understood some of their impolite speaking, only to be embarrassed when someone replied in their language.
An English speaker would have to be really dim to think that no one around him in a foreign country understood any English, as opposed to a Basque speaker.
 

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... or a Navajo (Dine) speaker, like the WWII "code talkers".
 


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