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Offline metrologist

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Now if a private or public company has gotten official authorization to fly over your house, there's probably very little you can do about it.
You can probably try the same as above: sue them for the annoyance - if you can prove it's really an annoyance, which may not be that easy to do once some laws have changed - but not for violating your property.

As to exactly how much height above ground you "own" (that is considered part of your property), I guess it depends on local regulations, and I admit I have no clue. Is it the top of your tallest tree if you have trees? Is it the top of your roof? Dunno.

I don't think you own the airspace in your own living room! And, the airlines seem to be immune from noise complaints now. And the delivery truck is an annoyance enough.

If they fly over my home, I'm going to fly some kites. It'll be like fishing, for drones, and maybe snag a pizza delivery.  >:D
 

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Ok guys the reason politics is banned here is because the more educated one is, the less relevant their opinion is on politics.  "Smart with electronics" and "collegel educated" does not have anything to do with "common sense" so we really have no business discussing such matters.  Also since half the planet has gone blind on ORANGE MAN BAD pills, this one needs to be brushed aside ;)

Let's get back to this FAA stuff  :-DD
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You may have some answers here for the current state of things:

https://www.aerotas.com/blog/2017/10/4/who-owns-the-air-above-your-home
 

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If they fly over my home, I'm going to fly some kites. It'll be like fishing, for drones, and maybe snag a pizza delivery.  >:D

If aeromodelling as a hobby is destroyed in the interests of commercial profit making delivery operations, I could see a lot of former modellers moving over to flying scale model barrage balloons ...    :-DD

For some good pictures of barrage balloons:

https://militaryhistorynow.com/2015/11/03/forgotten-heroes-how-black-barrage-balloon-soldiers-kept-the-d-day-beaches-safe/
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For those interested in how effective barrage balloons were over London:

http://www.bbrclub.org/Barrage%20Balloon%20Cable%20Collisions%20with%20Aircraft%20in%20WWII.htm

Short answer: they brought down many more friendly aircraft than hostile.

Long answer: not surprising because there were far more friendly aircraft than hostile operating over London and the numbers don't tell you anything about their effectiveness as a deterrence.  And talking to "a former member of the Luftwaffe and he told me that it was their greatest fear as they got nearer to the target".
 

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So I spend much of the night realizing my 7400 word essay was overkill, although the proposal within was very logical except for the backhaul.  I read about thirty pages of the comments.   I even came up with a term for non INS/GPS based models  vs over the horizon capable drones. My term was "Traditional Model Aircraft".   Imagine my surprise when I came across the attached Gem of a comment from a former FAA employee...

Enjoy...  Its a public document by nature of being submitted...

Steve

Now that is quite a response  :-+
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This has partly been the drone using community shooting themselves in the foot. The number of videos on youtube from mid-height (500ft) drone operations, clearly inside controlled airspace is staggering, and a lot of drone flyers have a seriously bad attitude with the "why should I have to follow that rule" type of attitude.

There was a very picturesque video of a drone flying over a local mountrain that went around the office I worked in about 5 years ago.  The problem was that the drone was directly in the approach path to an international airport; and a route I was very familiar with, because I've flown it myself in a small plane.

My co-workers didn't understand why when they were all going "oooooh"  "ahhhhh" and I was saying the guy that made the video should be locked up and throw away the key. 

A 2kg drone vs a small Cessna is going to get messy; and I'm frankly shocked it hasn't happened yet causing loss of life.

I've actually told someone standing 50ft from the control tower (CXH) to stop flying their drone, and they were confused as to why it was an issue.

Add that to the wants of the Amazons/Ubereats/UPSs of the world for low level drone delliveries, and airspace is going to get shut down, except for approved flying locations (which is how it used to be for RC planes)

 

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Beanflying, you are in Australia, not the USA.  You have no idea what you are talking about nor even room to speak on this issue.  A majority of the USA love the guy and are looking forward to his re-election!  He is a wonderful president, for everyone except the emotionally uncontrolled type whom he loves poking on these mediums such as twitter, while we all laugh  :-+
Actions speak much louder than words!  Always remember that.

So this thread is about FAA rules, not your personal opinions on someone who lives on the opposite side of the globe from you, so let's get back to it  :-DD

As it is you who wants to continue praising him as President WHICH IS POLITICS! I choose to call out the Man well before that which is not. He is a liar, serial marital cheat and morally bankrupt human. And no Australians are most certainly not jealous of this Muppet. So yes please stop talking politics  :palm:

And sort of related https://qz.com/1571147/boeing-737-max-crisis-puts-spotlight-on-faa-under-trump/ The FAA is suffering internal instability and other problems including budget cuts..
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You're not a very nice person... Are you this unkind in real life?
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Great, that means Canada will follow. Seems to be how the cycle goes.  US comes up with stricter rules, Canada comes up with stricter rules right after.   It seems governments are just trying to slowly ban drones because they want to be the only ones who have rights to use them.   

They already have it where you need a license here now and need to register it.  It's basically like owning a gun.

Seems anything people try to do for fun these days is either regulated heavily, taxed, or just made illegal.  Governments have to get their ugly face out of our lives.
 

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I think it has a lot to do with the idea that there is money in it - The believe in Silicon Valley seems to be that everyone will be willing to freely give up the close airspace over their home to drones, like they have for the power and communication wires, to make way for drones delivering all of the things that they believe people will keep buying.  This seems to demonstrate some lack of connection with reality,  I think many of the people who think like this have never spent even a minute outside of their bubble  :-DD

In the end, I expect this to be a lot like the last attempt at drone registration.  Mass non-compliance, lawsuits, confusion, ending in retractions and non-enforcement.
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And still you keep politic on trying to defend the Convicted Fraudster. This is not fake news or whatever you claim as an excuse these are simple facts about a very flawed immoral man. https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2018/feb/06/trump-university-court-upholds-25m-settlement-to-give-students-money-back

This is a world wide forum and 98% of the world didn't vote for him so please head off back to twitter to carry on your fight.

What he has done and continues to not do for the FAA will only push them toward taking the path of least resistance and clamp down on ALL UAV's be they R/C Aircraft or Drones.
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I'm sorry that you are still not understanding what I have said.

We are talking about FAA regulations for UAS/UAV here.  FYI, the FAA rules apply to the airspace in the USA.  The relevant comments will come from the American public, the same American public who elected this great man President of the USA, and BTW the jobless numbers have been absolutely great since about a year after that decision, and things are going really great there right now  :clap:

It's really too bad that nearly 100% of media ignore how great things are going and look for negative spin in everything, but as we know, some people just have a problem with being negative and all we can do is try to change them with kindness...  Not sure if this will work on the media, but worth a try?

It's totally OK that you have all these opinions about USA matters, but you need to understand how irrelevant they are - The USA doesn't serve you; You don't vote in their elections.  Everyone knows that the media hates this President, while the people love him. Honestly, I think he rather enjoys triggering their emotions, which may not be the kindest thing to do, but is rather entertaining as it illustrates the instability that exists inside those who react to it   :-DD

If you want to be a part of the USA, it's a great place, and welcome to try for citizenship!  I promise that no matter what your opinions, I would be your friend as long as you treat me kindly, as you should treat all people  ;D
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So now you are just Trolling. Please go back to Faux News and the twittersphere bubble of denial. The simple fact still remains he is a morally bankrupt Muppet.

Trying to keep on topic or closer to it.

You are failing completely to understand about how the Peak Federal Aviation bodies around the world work is they TALK and WATCH what each does and take bits of legislation and rules from others. The Simple fact is that if the US goes hard then others will follow. So it does concern us and our thought are very relevant!
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I am sorry that you are too closed to listen to what I am saying, but that is not my fault.  You really do not have a leg to stand on here, and I think you know it.  And yes, as I've said (at least once?) let's keep this on topic!  The UNITED STATES OF AMERICA's FAA rules on drones :D  :clap:

*waves American flag*  :clap: :clap: :clap:

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What part of this concerns us all as fliers around the world is hard for you to understand? I have flown in a handful of other countries in the past at a few World Championships and International events and generally all the local rules in those countries were much the same as here we had to conform to here, this is how has been so we are right to be concerned?

You really need to get out of your bubble more the world is large and diverse and interconnected.
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You guys should realize that resorting to these typical ad hominem attack only discredits you...  They do not serve to discredit me, nor the president of the USA...

You should also realize that there is no "world order", this is a logical fallacy in itself!  A rather arrogant thought to think that the leader of a country which is not your own should cater to your well being instead of the well being of the citizens of his own country?

This is why I have always said that engineers have no business in political matters  :-DD
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Don't ask a question if you aren't willing to listen to the answer.
 

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You guys should realize that resorting to these typical ad hominem FACTUAL attackS only dis credits you...  They do not serve to discredit me, nor and the president of the USA...

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There fixed your erroneous paragraph and spelling for you  ;) Trying to play the 'Ad Hominem'  :bullshit: defense while making them yourself against others is just so  :palm:

This Forum again is a world wide one and I hope you get that in your head soon. Rabid Flag waving, chest beating and support for one side of politics regardless of Country or Party of choice is never going to end well as the majority is against your view.
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You're not a very nice person... Are you this unkind in real life?

Since you're new here, just a suggestion, stop or at least minimize quoting or bringing out religion talk in this "particular" forum, trust me, you will be happier here, just sayin.  :P

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Beanflying, you are in Australia, not the USA.  You have no idea what you are talking about nor even room to speak on this issue.  A majority of the USA love the guy and are looking forward to his re-election!  He is a wonderful president, for everyone except the emotionally uncontrolled type whom he loves poking on these mediums such as twitter, while we all laugh  :-+
Actions speak much louder than words!  Always remember that.

So this thread is about FAA rules, not your personal opinions on someone who lives on the opposite side of the globe from you, so let's get back to it  :-DD

Then stop brining it up youself and SHUT UP!
 

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NO MORE POLITICS!
 

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Beanflying, you are in Australia, not the USA.  You have no idea what you are talking about nor even room to speak on this issue.  A majority of the USA love the guy and are looking forward to his re-election!  He is a wonderful president, for everyone except the emotionally uncontrolled type whom he loves poking on these mediums such as twitter, while we all laugh  :-+
Actions speak much louder than words!  Always remember that.

So this thread is about FAA rules, not your personal opinions on someone who lives on the opposite side of the globe from you, so let's get back to it  :-DD

Then stop brining it up youself and SHUT UP!
To be fair, someone else started bashing Trump and he was just responding to it. Whether you love or loath the US president, this isn't the place to talk about it. He should have just pressed the report button, rather than rising to it.

Anyway, back on topic. I can see it from both sides. It clearly needs to be make more difficult for someone to buy an off the shelf drone and strap a load of explosives to it, but people should also be free to build their own.

Perhaps people should be able to make their own RC aircraft, but it has to use approved transmitter and receiver modules, which enable the authorities to disable/track it? On the other hand the real criminals won't care and will do it anyway.
 

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There is a complete pointlessness to registering Radios as there is still 100,000's plural if not millions of them out there on 35, 36, 40 and 72 Meg around the world that run basic FM or the really old ones AM. There is simply no smarts in them or two way anything and the data only flows upstream on most until the more modern 2.4Ghz sets. Even the majority of these there is no GPS on the Aircraft or Heli sets just an encrypted burst with data coming back now in a lot of cases for sensors and other bits.

It would be like sending out the 'vans' looking for illegal TV's in the UK today ;) Or like trying to retroactively licence all 27Meg Kids walkie talkies - FUTILE.

What you introduce for new sets sold and in particular on consumer drones is another thing entirely. This is in part why DJI is sliding through without a blip in the West as they have shown extreme willingness to work with the various Federal Bodies for better or for worse and allow tracking of their product including geofencing and even the ability I understand to shutdown drones.
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I am just responding here.  I always respond :)
Please stop responding. Talking politics is against the rules here. Someone else started it by making an anti-Trump comment. Of course they were in the wrong and shouldn't have, but you've now caused more trouble by responding to it.

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Romans 5:8 "But God demonstrates his own love for us in this: While we were still sinners, Christ died for us.

I am a wretched, undeserving sinner saved by the gift of Christ, I am not ashamed, and I my biggest hope is that all will receive this gift of eternal life  :-+ :-+ :-+
And posting religious stuff like that, has nothing to do with the subject, is a good way to upset people more and get banned.
 


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