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For the Love of Radio Controlled Aircraft in the US, New Rules Possible.
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LaserSteve:
AMA had a voting seat, but was grossly outnumbered, and I think, my  personal opinion, totally  blindsided by the NRPM.  AMA is not a lobbying organization by charter, but found itself in the hot seat.   I'm also betting some at AMA liked the idea of becoming the National community organizer, and probably thought they had that.  After all, if AMA is the primary organization, they are going to grow like crazy in membership.

What AMA has and has not done is hazy.  All you have is the press releases and their videos/podcasts.  They have been talking to FAA for a long time, but seem more concerned about getting waivers for the existing AMA fields to fly  over the 400 foot limit.

Ridge Soaring in the traditional sense will only be capable of flying  if the ridge soaring craft is commercial and type approved. That question has been asked time and time again when I discuss this.  I don't know how you soar thermals if your bird doesn't have powered flight under the new rules.  Remember, the lock-out system is predicated on electronically preventing  engine start. I don't even think they considered towing aloft or other odd but common stuff.   Unless you can get a FRIA for the soaring location, and even then the FRIA times out at a maximum of 48 months.

Lots of things, Helos, Ridge  Soaring, Gliding, Blimp/Airship  competition, Free Flight,  combat,  Indoor, scale, Giant Scale,  are basically ignored, dead, not considered, not even thought of yet, or considered no longer relevant.

The whole thing seems quadcopter oriented.

Enjoy 308 pages of proposed rule:

https://www.federalregister.gov/documents/2019/12/31/2019-28100/remote-identification-of-unmanned-aircraft-systems

Every time you see the word broadcast, please understand that recent public statements say broadcast will NOT be allowed as the primary.

BTW, my friend's transponder on his full size plane is +/- 52 feet. 

I love this one, I quote:

(b) Automatic Remote ID USS connection. From takeoff to landing, the unmanned aircraft system must automatically maintain a connection to the internet, when available, and must transmit the appropriate message elements through that internet connection to a Remote ID USS.

(c) Time mark. The time mark message element must be synchronized with all other remote identification message elements.

 (d) Self-Testing and monitoring. (1) When the unmanned aircraft system is powered on, it must automatically test the remote identification functionality and notify the person manipulating the flight controls of the unmanned aircraft system of the result of the test. (2) The unmanned aircraft must not be able to take off if the remote identification equipment is not functional. (3) The unmanned aircraft system must continuously monitor the remote identification functionality from takeoff to landing and must provide notification of malfunction or failure to the person manipulating the flight controls of the unmanned aircraft system. (b) Automatic Remote ID USS connection. From takeoff to landing, the unmanned aircraft system must automatically maintain a connection to the internet, when available, and must transmit the appropriate message elements through that internet connection to a Remote ID USS. (c) Time mark. The time mark message element must be synchronized with all other remote identification message elements. (d) Self-Testing and monitoring. (1) When the unmanned aircraft system is powered on, it must automatically test the remote identification functionality and notify the person manipulating the flight controls of the unmanned aircraft system of the result of the test. (2) The unmanned aircraft must not be able to take off if the remote identification equipment is not functional. (3) The unmanned aircraft system must continuously monitor the remote identification functionality from takeoff to landing and must provide notification of malfunction or failure to the person manipulating the flight controls of the unmanned aircraft system. (e) Tamper resistance. The unmanned aircraft system must be designed and produced in a way that reduces the ability of a person to tamper with the remote identification functionality. (f) Connectivity. (1) The unmanned aircraft must not be able to take off unless it is connected to the internet and transmitting the message elements in §89.315 through that internet connection to a Remote ID USS. (2) The unmanned aircraft system must continuously monitor its connection to the internet and the unmanned aircraft system’s transmission of the remote identification message elements through that internet connection to a Remote ID USS. If the connection to the internet is lost or the unmanned aircraft system is no longer transmitting the remote
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identification message elements to a Remote ID USS, the unmanned aircraft system must notify the person manipulating the flight controls of the unmanned aircraft system. (g) Error correction. The remote identification equipment must incorporate error correction in the transmission of the message elements in §89.315. (h) Interference considerations. The remote identification equipment must not interfere with other systems or equipment installed on the unmanned aircraft system, and other systems or equipment installed on the unmanned aircraft system must not interfere with the remote identification equipment. (i) Message transmission. The unmanned aircraft system must be capable of transmitting the message elements for limited remote identification unmanned aircraft systems in §89.315 through an internet connection to a Remote ID USS. (j) Message elements performance requirements. (1) The reported position of the control station must be accurate to within 100 feet of the true position, with 95 percent probability. (2) The reported barometric pressure altitude of the control station must be accurate to within 20 feet of the true barometric pressure altitude for pressure altitudes ranging from 0 to 10,000 feet. (3) The unmanned aircraft system must transmit the latitude, longitude, and barometric pressure altitude of the control station no later than 1.0 second from the time of measurement to the time of transmission. (4) The unmanned aircraft system must transmit the message elements at a rate of at least 1 message per second. (k) Cybersecurity. The unmanned aircraft system must incorporate cybersecurity protections for the transmission of the message elements in §89.315. (l) Range limitation. The unmanned aircraft must be designed to operate no more than 400 feet from its control station. (m) Broadcast limitation. The unmanned aircraft cannot broadcast any of the remote identification message elements identified in §89.305 or §89.315.

(e) Tamper resistance. The unmanned aircraft system must be designed and produced in a way that reduces the ability of a person to tamper with the remote identification functionality. (f) Connectivity. (1) The unmanned aircraft must not be able to take off unless it is connected to the internet and transmitting the message elements in §89.315 through that internet connection to a Remote ID USS. (2) The unmanned aircraft system must continuously monitor its connection to the internet and the unmanned aircraft system’s transmission of the remote identification message elements through that internet connection to a Remote ID USS. If the connection to the internet is lost or the unmanned aircraft system is no longer transmitting the remote
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72521 Federal Register /Vol. 84, No. 250/Tuesday, December 31, 2019/Proposed Rules

identification message elements to a Remote ID USS, the unmanned aircraft system must notify the person manipulating the flight controls of the unmanned aircraft system.

(g) Error correction. The remote identification equipment must incorporate error correction in the transmission of the message elements in §89.315. (h) Interference considerations. The remote identification equipment must not interfere with other systems or equipment installed on the unmanned aircraft system, and other systems or equipment installed on the unmanned aircraft system must not interfere with the remote identification equipment. (i) Message transmission. The unmanned aircraft system must be capable of transmitting the message elements for limited remote identification unmanned aircraft systems in §89.315 through an internet connection to a Remote ID USS. (j) Message elements performance requirements. (1) The reported position of the control station must be accurate to within 100 feet of the true position, with 95 percent probability. (2) The reported barometric pressure altitude of the control station must be accurate to within 20 feet of the true barometric pressure altitude for pressure altitudes ranging from 0 to 10,000 feet. (3) The unmanned aircraft system must transmit the latitude, longitude, and barometric pressure altitude of the control station no later than 1.0 second from the time of measurement to the time of transmission. (4) The unmanned aircraft system must transmit the message elements at a rate of at least 1 message per second. (k) Cybersecurity. The unmanned aircraft system must incorporate cybersecurity protections for the transmission of the message elements in §89.315. (l) Range limitation. The unmanned aircraft must be designed to operate no more than 400 feet from its control station. (m) Broadcast limitation. The unmanned aircraft cannot broadcast any of the remote identification message elements identified in §89.305 or §89.315. "

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Steve
angrybird:

--- Quote from: LaserSteve on March 05, 2020, 11:39:41 pm ---In the plan as mentioned, general RC using home made gear  is as difficult paperwork wise as building a real experimental aircraft and have to be flown at a designated flying field sanctioned by a community [...............................]

400 Foot horizontal limit comes from Law Enforcement, it is their best guess estimate  how far they can associate an operator with a craft visually.

There are two levels of Drone, one that will be damn hard to get and a lesser  performing common model.

Steve

Steve

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Steve,

You're failing to account for the rural areas, which is a majority of the USA.  People do and will continue to fly whatever they want there, no matter what the regulation.  Interfering with them risks a serious gunfight.  This is not tongue in cheek.  The country folk are ready to start shooting over all the bureacracy and all the bureaucrats need to do is push them a little bit and we will be there.  These regs will only affect the cities.
james_s:
I have a hard time seeing gunfights erupt over toy airplanes, if it does it's likely to not end well. The rural areas have most of the land area but a large majority of the populations live on the coasts.

For all the talk about freedoms I don't really see it. The difference is not so much how much you're allowed to do but which things someone is gonna tell you not to do. In some states the government it will practically ruin your whole life over a few ounces of weed or some other silly thing someone might try to do in the privacy of their own home. Authoritarian pricks whose purpose in life is to tell other people how to live and whose greatest fear seems to be that somebody somewhere is enjoying themselves exist everywhere and across the political spectrum.
angrybird:
You need to check out a rural area, it's not at all what you think...  Everyone with a pulse is done with the regulation and insanity and are just waiting for what many people believe is inevitable - Civil war #2, reset things back to the way they used to be.  Just imagine the USA rural areas in 2020 as a bunch of people with loaded AR15's or other high power pistols in their cars, politely driving down the road, waving at their neighbors and ready for anything...  I have close connections in multiple states, it's not a joke...  Even I carry a takedown AR15 pistol with me in most states (except commiefornia!), its case is the size of a normal 15" laptop and it snaps together in about 3 seconds...  Everyone seems to be waiting for something, it's going to be a very exciting decade  :-DD
LaserSteve:
Mr Nutfinch,

Please leave the provocative speech off of EEVBLOG. 

    Some one, some how, is going to have to balance out this proposal, once its issued. Either in the Houses of Congress, or in the Courts. I'm not going to endorse the concept of  drawing a gun over the right to fly.  The way that reform  traditionally starts in this here republic is to get citizens to exercise their rights to make the system work. That starts with informing like minded people  when your upset with a proposed rule.

While you have your right to free speech, shooting up someone so you can fly a drone or RC craft is insane. Arguing on this thread is helping me craft my reply to the proposed regulation via legit means, such as contacting my legislators.

The common issue with Aviation law is it becomes global, quickly. This is NOT just a US problem. As the FAA, CAA, Canada's DOT, CASA goes, so goes the rest of  the world.

Outside of the five "cousins" nations, mentioning potential use of a firearm on the net gets you hauled off to jail.

Edit:

Up until recently, my state  used the English Common Law on encroachments, which is centuries old and deals mainly with trees,
Its quite practical.  My neighbors own some big trees with long branches.  I can trim them to the property line and not a scruple over, but nor can I harm the tree.   But it no longer is "Cuius est solum, eius est usque ad coelum et ad inferos" in the US.



Steve



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