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For the Love of Radio Controlled Aircraft in the US, New Rules Possible.

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beanflying:
Any of my comments about RTF dills is about the behavior of the owners not a complaint about the product ;) The biggest issue is the ready access and the lack of perceived 'need' of the AMA or MAAA in our case as the time invested in building is more or less nil and the cost is low. This has led to a lack of general knowledge by the average user of the FAA (CASA in Oz) regs.

My most often flown plane is a Foamy and slope bashing with foam allows you to pick a rock or a bush and call it a landing area  >:D

angrybird:

--- Quote from: beanflying on March 06, 2020, 02:56:34 am ---
--- Quote from: angrybird on March 06, 2020, 02:12:32 am ---Ok you are still missing the point.  People flying drones over their property and R/C aircraft in all the places they've been flying them since the advent of this hobby isn't going to kill anyone.  It isn't a danger and never has been.  I am not advocating for any danger here.  If you fly your plan over my property when I'm flying my R/C helicopter over my property, that is your problem, not mine.

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Your property as explained earlier in this thread ceases above the ground. Willfully ignoring for example the height limit (think it is still 300' in the USA?) places you into an area where full sized aviation happens. While this is exceedingly rare and the sky is huge relative to any full sized aircraft the rules are there for a reason.

In Oz for MAAA based events off registered Airfields we can for example apply for a NOTAM for an increased height limit over an area for Glider events. This still doesn't mean we don't give way to full sized if one comes across our area just there is a warning issued and published at the Airfields in the area.

We have had examples of dicks with both Drones and even well before that R/C planes flying in parks under the flightpaths of major airports. Regulations matter for everyone always everywhere.

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That is not the point.  I have repeatedly stated I am talking about "out in the country" - Rural areas - Which is most of the USA.  If you fly a drone in the country over someone else's property, it gets shot down.  If someone out there wants to fly whatever they want to fly over their own property, they do it.  This is just the way it is, the way it has always been, the way it will always be.  You do not tell American country folk that their property "ceases above the ground".  They have heard that before, and they will simply laugh at you.  I am not talking about flying something thousands of feet in the air, you can't see that far.  I am talking about R/C planes, model rockets (this is still quite popular, some of these do probably go a thousand feet up), things that people do for fun enjoying their place in the country. 

Don't you have rural areas in Australia too?  I would bet it is the same way out there.  Again, I am not talking about obviously unreasonable things like flying around airports and such - People who do those things are city dimwits who have too much free time on their hands.  I am talking about people on their private property doing what they do every day.

beanflying:
That is the point exactly the wild west only exists in the mind. There is something about being a 'nation of laws and not men' that is fact and a matter of the time we now live in. Keep the Gun nut baggery out of this thread too it has had more than plenty of exposure already!

You can not argue it is ok 'because of x location' there is current law and breaking it is a Federal offence regardless of fairly much whatever western country you live in. Go fly over a government building or the wrong place in some countries elsewhere they will shoot you first or lock you up and throw away the key.

Anyone who breaches those current fairly open rules and in so doing puts my hobby at risk of increased regulation or limits on it because of their actions deserves a kicking be that written or verbal. This is partly why the USA is now where it is due to dicks with drones with no regard for the rules.

angrybird:
No one is flying drones over government buildings.  Again, I am talking about people in the country minding their own business!!!

The USA (and I believe most other developed nations) are  far past "nation of laws, not men".  If you come to America, you will inadvertently commit several federal "offenses" per day without even trying.  There are literally millions of laws and no one person can even comprehend a fraction of them.
The difference between the USA and other countries is that in the USA, people will actually do something about it.  This takes many forms.  You can call it "civil disobedience" when I disable the faulty emission device on my older car after it malfunctions.  You can call it the same when I rig the PCM to make the emissions inspectors think it still works and they give me a pass.  You can call it the same when people ignore these new FAA "regulations" and keep on flying their R/C stuff over their property without any internet connection or tracking hardware.  Is it really "civil disobedience" though? Or is it just rejection of tyranny?  The difference in the USA is that this "disobedience" is commonplace due to how many people have recognized the tyranny, and no enforcement team in the USA is suicidal enough to go out into the country and start enforcing these regulations.  But this isn't even my point!

I keep having to go back to my original point that I am arguing for.  In the country, people will do whatever they want, and everything will be fine.  I'll bet in Australia, even if something like this is passed, you can go out in the bush and fly your R/C aircraft without a problem and no one will bother you about it.  Everyone is freaking out about this idiotic regulation as if the massive expanse of rural land out there is just going to dissapear.  It will still be there!  I promise!!!

LaserSteve:
I work at an educational institution teaching future engineers. I can't avoid flying over government land.:-).  Therefore I need to try to shape the regulations to avoid any problems in the first place.

As much as I would like to move some things behind closed doors off campus, it just doesn't work that way. The indirect impact of modal aviation in my industry is huge.

Steve

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