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electrodacus:
Edit: Nevermind about the experiment as it will not show the amount of slip since the slip is powered by the treadmill is just extra energy that is lost and that is harder to measure. 
If the charge circle makes say 1 degree rotation (vehicle is not moving) then during discharge there is a slip of exact same amount 1 degree so it is not contributing to the distance traveled just to extra losses due to friction.


Just answer the problem I posted in the earlier comment  and you will be hopefully able to realize that wheels can not rotate unless there is both energy storage and stick slip hysteresis. Unless you have an alternate explanation or you think the result of such an experiment will be different than what I think then we can test that.
cbutlera:

--- Quote from: electrodacus on February 13, 2023, 04:09:58 pm ---Edit: Nevermind about the experiment as it will not show the amount of slip since the slip is powered by the treadmill is just extra energy that is lost and that is harder to measure. 
If the charge circle makes say 1 degree rotation (vehicle is not moving) then during discharge there is a slip of exact same amount 1 degree so it is not contributing to the distance traveled just to extra losses due to friction.
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Dammit, like a moth to a flame, I just can’t resist.

I can see why you had to scotch that experiment.  You accidentally made a testable prediction.

Okay, so now, if I have got this right, during the stick phase at least one of the wheels is slipping.  Then during the slip phase, the wheel(s) that slipped, slip back to the same position relative to the ground/treadmill from which they started.  The result being that there will be no net accumulated slip at either wheel that could be revealed by distance markers on the wheels and ground/treadmill.

Keep going.  All you need to do now is to make these equal and opposite slips small enough to be accommodated by tyre flexure instead of real slips.
PlainName:

--- Quote from: electrodacus on February 13, 2023, 04:09:58 pm ---Edit: Nevermind about the experiment as it will not show the amount of slip since the slip is powered by the treadmill is just extra energy that is lost and that is harder to measure. 
If the charge circle makes say 1 degree rotation (vehicle is not moving) then during discharge there is a slip of exact same amount 1 degree so it is not contributing to the distance traveled just to extra losses due to friction.


Just answer the problem I posted in the earlier comment  and you will be hopefully able to realize that wheels can not rotate unless there is both energy storage and stick slip hysteresis. Unless you have an alternate explanation or you think the result of such an experiment will be different than what I think then we can test that.

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Again, why does it matter? Both vehicles move to the right when the paper (treadmill) moves to the left. That's all that matters - they aren't going to suddenly backtrack all the way and then continue to the left, are they? Indeed, when the paper stops moving nothing happens at all. If there were any energy storage, where did it go?

So your prediction and contention that they cannot move to the right (due to whatever magical thing) is obviously wrong, isn't it?
PlainName:

--- Quote ---Dammit, like a moth to a flame, I just can’t resist.
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Yes, I'm fascinated by how he manages to survive.
IanB:
He is on a mission to prove to the world that his ideas are correct. He is doomed never to succeed, since his ideas are wrong, and therefore they will never be accepted.

Like Sisyphus, his hubris knows no bounds:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sisyphus
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