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tooki:

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--- Quote from: harerod on April 13, 2021, 07:09:36 pm ---I like the country flags for several reasons.

First of all, when I see an English speaking country, I can safely take the author's production as the gold standard of English. Conversely, for certain other countries, some caution, mixed with leniency, is called for.

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Gold standard of English is hard to define. There's British English, American English, Australian English, New Zealand English, and various other native Englishes, all of which are not quite the same and have many local usages and turns of phrase. And then there's ESL English, which is actually the most international version. Meaning two ESL speakers often communicate better in English than two native English speakers from different countries. Which I find quite amusing, even though I understand why.

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That’s basically complete and utter nonsense.

The fact is, while spoken English does have a bit of variation that’s occasionally confusing to a speaker of another dialect, it’s overwhelmingly mutually intelligible. When it comes to written English, if you standardize for spelling traits (o vs ou in words like color, -ise vs -ize, and a handful of other words), it’s almost impossible to tell the nationality of a writer. It takes a very astute reader to notice the clues.

My qualifications on this matter: I studied linguistics; my mom is a retired ESL teacher; I’m American but have lived abroad for years, regularly communicating with Brits, Aussies, and the occasional kiwi or South African, as well as with many nonnative speakers, as well as observing nonnative speakers between each other; and I worked as a technical writer (in English, for an international audience) for years.

What is true is that sometimes, two nonnative speakers will have complete understanding of an utterance, whereas a native speaker will not, if the nonnatives happen share a common misuse of English which happens to collide with native English. For example, here in Switzerland, nonnative speakers will routinely use the word “manager” to mean “executive officer”. A native speaker will instead “misunderstand” them as meaning the English meaning of the word.

ESL teachers in Japan joke that “the only people who can understand a Japanese ESL student’s English are other Japanese ESL students”. :P

So while nonnative <-> nonnative can occasionally outperform nonnative <-> native speaker communication, it will practically never exceed native <-> native speaker communication.

If the native speakers speak two very distinct dialects, one can of course run into trouble, but nonnative speakers will have just as much trouble if it differs a lot from the dialect they learned.

tooki:

--- Quote from: bsfeechannel on April 13, 2021, 08:39:42 pm ---
--- Quote from: Bud on April 13, 2021, 08:13:17 pm ---Nope, it does not. (Samsung tablet with Android, iPone 5 with iOS)

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It does too. iPad with iOS and Samsung phone with Android. Using Chrome on both, of course. Seek and ye shall find.

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And here’s what it looks like with Safari on iPhone:

CatalinaWOW:
From what I can see, among non-professional linguists, the gold standard of English is whatever dialect the person speaking uses.  With a variety of different rationalizations.  History, number of speakers, official blessing or whatever.  It all makes a great theological argument, a lot like the number of angels on the head of a pin. 

I just feel fortunate that my native tongue is so widely spoken and understood.  Between English and my two less developed languages I can communicate with probably half of the worlds population.  And can probably find someone to communicate with almost wherever I am in the world.   I am too old to add Chinese to bump that number up by a big amount.

Gyro:
Let's just cut the linguistics 'noise' (polite word) and concentrate on the basics...

It is useful to know what country a member is currently in so that advice can be relevant to their location - sourcing items, mains related stuff, physical environmental factors etc.

Hopefully nobody seriously gives a stuff about a member's ethnicity, country of birth, or background. It is purely a practical thing!

gnuarm:
I don't get what all the hoopla is about.  The Heisenberg uncertainty principle limits how accurately your location can be known anyway.  Well, if you want to know velocity at the same time. 

In reality both my location and my velocity are changing at a regular rate anyway.  So it can't be terribly important to know it at any particular moment.

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